Are there enough House fans to justify a thread?

[TPoptarts]

EWWWW NO

[WarpGirl]

OK I have to admit both House and 13 are each so sick in their own ways that I can see it working. But her and Forman work for the exact same reason. But Elasser you DO NOT want to be House. You are too sweet and genuine to be House. And mostly, most girls I know don't like liars even if the person they lie to most are themselves.

[TPoptarts]

Whoa. Way to go Chase

[Bether6074]

Did anyone catch JB on House this past week?

[Silverbullet]

Yes, JB was beautiful. she sure didn't look like a porn queen.

I Hate House. Used to watch it every week until they turned the character in to such a hateful slob.

[JadziaKathryn]

I watch on Hulu so I just saw it. The part where she said "sex is just a mechanical act," I could totally see T'Pol saying.

HERE THERE BE SPOILERS!!!

I thought it was interesting that Cameron was willing to forgive Chase and stay with him only so long as he was remorseful enough and wanted to run from what he did. As much as it's understandable, it wasn't realistic of her.

What I liked about the whole Dubala thing is that you can sort of see both sides. Legally, he did the wrong thing. Personally, I couldn't live with myself if I killed someone. But Dubala admitted he was going to kill more people 'for his country.' So Chase in the end saved people. Cameron obviously couldn't deal with the shades of gray. Chase's action was understandable, at least. He's not a cold-blooded killer.

[Elessar]

I thought it was interesting that Cameron was willing to forgive Chase and stay with him only so long as he was remorseful enough and wanted to run from what he did. As much as it's understandable, it wasn't realistic of her.

I don't know, I agreed with the way that House looked at it... She (Cameron) was basically just 1. of the belief that it was House's influence that lead Chase to being capable of coming to the decision/action he had on Dubala and 2., even given that you accept 1 you'd have to delude yourself to believe you could run from the situation and not take with you the person who brought about that situation. Even if it HAD been House's influence and even if they DID leave, just like Cameron said at the end, House's influence had already happened, it was permanent.

TBH, I'm not sure I buy it. I think people grow and change throughout their lives, and Chase's experiences in Princeton-Plainsboro, not specifically House's lack of humanism, lead to all, if any, changes in him. I think Cameron DID think House was to blame for his behavior, but I don't agree with that assessment.

[JadziaKathryn]

I thought that Chase should've been shown discussing why he did it with Cameron. If she cares about people so much, what about the people Dubala was going to kill? I'm not saying it makes what he did okay, but it is a rather different situation.

Maybe Cameron needed to blame House, to make her feel better about marrying a man capable of what Chase did. It's rough that she left him, though. She didn't really even try to save their marriage.

[Elessar]

I never bought their marriage to begin with and honestly, I think it should be obvious to anyone who didn't have the "House/Cameron" bug like I do that it was contrived and stupid.

Let's start at the beginning. The beginning of Chase and Cameron's relationship: Cameron snags some methamphetamine from a homosexual party-boy who's dying of HIV and calls Chase over to essentially "live it up" and jump his bones. This is after what appears to be a several month long dry spell in which, for all intents and purposes, it seems as if Cameron hadn't touched a single human male. Big romance.

Then, they start to do it more with absolutely zero implied emotional context. Later on, it makes it look like Chase is more into her that she is into him, suggesting that perhaps at the beginning of their arrangement, Chase got more emotionally out of being physical with her than she did, but that's not even supported by ANYTHING we ever saw on screen. They were, essentially, pure **** buddies.

Later on, I don't even remember when, but they break it off because Chase seems to be getting too serious about it, and Cameron cuts it off.

Later, AS FAR AS ANYONE CAN TELL, Cameron gives him a second chance basically just to prove to House she's not still in love with him. Wow, what a foundation for a relationship. The only additional dimension that could have any remotely genuine emotional context to it at all is that we presume Cameron is still lonely because she doesn't appear to be seeing ANYONE else this entire time.

Enter Season 4 and 5 where we didn't see Cameron or Chase for like 5 episodes at a time because House fired Chase and Cameron quit. All the sudden they're moving in together and, through the magic of the "perfectly developing offscreen romance", they're doing stellar. No relationship foundation? Oh well.

So then, we have like, 1 or 2 episodes, that just pop up out of NOWHERE in which this completely manufactured angst is injected into the plot, like we're suddenly supposed to have our heartstrings tugged when Cameron and Chase have problems. Why? Since when are they even serious? Oh yeah, it happened off screen, which makes it real... right? Not really.

So then they are talking about getting married. What? GETTING married?! Ok, we're tired of trying to follow this emotional vacuum of a relationship, so we just say "ok, whatever, get on with it."

In the end of Season 5, Cameron and Chase's wedding pretty much just serves the purpose of adding a nice little crescendo to the whole "everyone is happy except House" ambience whose little concertos include Cuddy with her baby, Foreman and Thirteen happy, and of course, the budding young romance between Chase and Cameron culminating in the ultimately symbolic abandonment of her feelings for House and thus moving on and thus House being alone.... their wedding.

So basically, when they start having these Dubala-related problems, we're supposed to just forget that the entire relationship has been contrived and illogical and hollow and senseless from the beginning and suddenly CARE how and why it ends. Unfortunately it leads to the departure of one of my favorite characters, even when she's totally clothed

But I think we lose what was, when she wasn't being morally infantile, probably THE ONLY interesting character on the show who could stand toe-to-toe with House without sounding like a whiney uptown cocky yuppy (Foreman), a bad actress (Thirteen), or morally empty jerkface (Chase).

[JadziaKathryn]

Hmm, when you put it like that...

I still think that the end of their marriage wasn't handled very well. But you're right, much of the relationship was kind of "imagine what happens off-screen."

[JadziaKathryn]

I'm sort of curious, since we had the whole Chase/Cameron discussion, what people thought of their plot in "Lockdown."

Also, did anyone else think "Lockdown" ruined Foreman?

[justTripn]

I didn't like the Lockdown episode that much, but I thought that the Foreman aspect of it was good. He is so tight and hard to read, I was glad to have some additional insight into his character.

As for Cameron and Chase, yeah it was a horrible shallow beginning, but I thought that Chase was very soulful and . . . gallant? in that relationship. I liked the part where she insisted that their relationship was over and he told her that he would ask her once a week if she had changed her mind yet. And he did! He wasn't clingy or pushy, just let her know he was still "in" if she ever changed her mind, and of course one day she finally did. I think there is something wrong with Cameron, but there is something wrong with alot of people, so I think the relationship was realistic. I thought that the excuse she gave for leaving him was ridiculous. I was glad in the lockdown episode that they got to talk the whole thing through and that she admitted it wasn't Chase's fault they broke up.

An episode I was even more interested in was one a few weeks ago when the patient was a blogger who blogged her whole life online. The whole episode was on the theme of the nature of intimacy, what is the basis for intimacy, and whether there is a role for secrets and privacy. The Chase component of that episode was hilarious. He learns that women like him because he is attractive (he does an experiment by walking up to random female staff and asks them for outragous favors. A woman he barely knows, agrees to loan him her car, LOL . . . ). This causes a crisis for him, because he wonders if Camreron REALLY ever loved him or if she just liked him for his looks.

There was an amazing part about House. I won't give away the spoiler but he is discovered reading a book of little Bible lessons. It turns this isn't even a particularly good book of Bible lessons, it was self-published and didn't really sell. Wilson has to know why House is reading this book. The answer is another one of those "OOOooo, wow!" epiphany moments that the show is so good at.

[Elessar]

I liked the Lockdown episode, too. It's the first time I cared at all for what Chase and Cameron were going through. I also identified with how helpless Chase felt in the situation... all he had to hang over her head to force her to talk to him about what happened were the divorce papers, and you could tell he didn't want to stoop to that level... It was his last resort...

I'm not sure if I think those kinds of "last hurrahs" can really happen. How do the two characters not walk away from those events wondering if it means they still have love for each other? Not wondering if it could still work?

[JadziaKathryn]

I'm not sure if I think those kinds of "last hurrahs" can really happen. How do the two characters not walk away from those events wondering if it means they still have love for each other? Not wondering if it could still work?

Yeah, I wondered that too. The whole "goodbye sex" seems weird to me.

But I'm glad Chase go this closure. In a lot of ways I think he was too good for Cameron.

I didn't like the Lockdown episode that much, but I thought that the Foreman aspect of it was good. He is so tight and hard to read, I was glad to have some additional insight into his character.

But he was getting high on confiscated drugs! He's supposed to be a steadier, saner balance. I thought, "So, now that House is clean we need to get another character drugged up?" It seemed so OOC that he suggested the drug trip.

[Elessar]

Wow, anybody think this is like by far the most emotionally charged season yet? You see "Help Me" ? That was incredible. The season finale, I guess, but, what's up with Rami (thirteen). I would've thought they'd tell us.