Vulcan Language resources

[Linda]

I think there is another thread on Triaxian Silk with language resources but since I had the following references bookmarked, I decided to put them here. Maybe they can be combined with another resource thread.

Since the Vulcan Language Institute set up and maintained by Mark R. Gardner disappeared over a year ago, some people who had downloaded parts of it have put the saved parts here:

http://www.stogeek.com/wiki/Category:Vu ... _Institute


I recently googled Mark Gardner and came up with this site where he is selling a book on the Vulcan language published in 2004. This book seems to be still available:

http://www.lulu.com/content/paperback-b ... uage/52380


I still use the Vulcan Language Dictionary and hope that does not disappear like the language institute did:

http://www.starbase-10.de/vld/


Here is a site called Vulcan Language Linguistics department, but most of the links have been broken. There still is a little useful information:

http://www.lasatha.org/vald/

[WarpGirl]

Thank you Linda! This is most definitely awesome.

[panyasan]

Thanks Linda, this is very useful. Question: is there something in Vulcan of a possessive pronouns? I try to translate (inside) the minds of the people. Couldn't find a word like "of" or "from". Or does the ' stands for this?

[Linda]

Hi, Panyasan,

Here is some text on possession that is from the web site in the first link that I posted above. I hope this helps.

Pitohlar

Denoting possession in Traditional and Modern Golic Vulcan is very easy; it closely follows the pattern of many of the Romance languages on Earth, such as French, Italian or Spanish. Instead of using the Federation Standard English form of an apostrophe and an "s", Golic Vulcan uses the prepositional prefix " t' " (of). Also, remember that the item always precedes the owner in possession. Therefore, "Sonok's ball" would be translated >dukal t'Sonok< (literally "the ball of Sonok").
Personal possession is based on the personal pronouns, using the same rule as above. Therefore, "The le-matya is eating my ball and your book" would be translated >Yokul le-matya dukal t'nash-veh heh dunap t'du< (literally "Eats the le-matya the ball of me and the book of you"). Refer to the table below for reference.
In the table below you will notice there are two forms for "his" and "her(s)". This is related to the two forms for the corresponding personal pronouns. In Golic Vulcan "everyday" usage, "ish-veh" and its corresponding "t'ish-veh" are usually used for all forms of the the third person singular. If it is necessary for clarity or you wish to use more formal usage, then use the gender specific terms. In these lessons we will use "t'sa-veh" and "t'ko-veh" to benefit the new student.
FS English Golic Vulcan
my/mine t'nash-veh
your/yours (singular) t'du
his t'sa-veh or t'ish-veh
her/hers t'ko-veh or t'ish-veh
its t'ish-veh
our/ours t'etek
your/yours (plural) t'dular
their/theirs t'au

Exercise 1

[panyasan]

Thank you, Linda that is very useful! How do you like my Vulcan sentence "Skil-tor ahkh svi'kashkau t'ausutra."

[crystalswolf]

Thanks so much! I knew about one, but the other resources are awesome. I have more reading to do

[Aquarius]

Would someone who's good at translating into Vulcan be willing to take a look at a single sentence to make sure I've got it right? I think I've got the vocabulary, but word-order is a little confusing for me and I'm afraid it would come out sounding like their version of Yoda.

Thanks.

[panyasan]

Would someone who's good at translating into Vulcan be willing to take a look at a single sentence to make sure I've got it right? I think I've got the vocabulary, but word-order is a little confusing for me and I'm afraid it would come out sounding like their version of Yoda.

Thanks.

I don't know if I am good in translating into Vulcan and if you already found a Vulcan language expert, but I like to toy with the Vulcan language, so I would love to take a look at your sentence.

[WarpGirl]

Some languages actually do sound like Yoda translated into English. I thought Vulcan was one of them...

[Aquarius]

And even if it is supposed sound like Yoda when translated into English, it'll still sound wrong to a Vulcan if I didn't do it right.

[Alelou]

And just which Vulcan do you plan to run it past?????

[Aquarius]

^Point taken, but still, I would prefer the flavor of authenticity here.

[WarpGirl]

Well I guess if it sounds like Yoda when you translate into English then you got it right in Vulcan.

[panyasan]

To quote Hoshi "Vulcan doesn't sound like Yoda and translating a language into another is a bit more then simple word by word translation. Translation is a work of art!"

[Aquarius]

It *does* sound like Yoda in English...and it's still wrong.

I've got someone helping me.

ETA: Precisely, panyasan!