TnT's Bond - How does it work?

[WarpGirl]

And that, I can totally agree with, pdsldl. And without Harbinger, we wouldn't have the delightful sub-genre of TnT NC-17 fanfic that imagines just what went on in that scenes. I'm going to have to contribute to that one of these days.

I know WarpGirl and some others don't agree with me but I do NOT think they only made love once. (in Harbinger) I think, based on the more intimate nature of their interractions and dialogue, that they were sleeping together again FOR SURE before Home. And I also think it is very, very possible that they we still sleeping together here in there all along until she got married. Just my opinion. After er marriage, nop, but up until then, absolutely.

I think Trip was beginning to fall in love with her by Similitude and based on the tears in her eyes when he tells her he has feelings for her, she felt the same way - didn't know what to do about it, but she DID reciprocate.

And it is directly stated in Bound that they DID NOT have sex AFTER Harbinger. Hey don't shoot the messenger, the ONLY things I have stated about this particular subject is what is SEEN and HEARD in episodes. Fankly I don't know why everybody is so hot under the collar about me telling the truth. And another thing that is irritating me is that I never said that them making love wasn't an act of love. I'm tired of people saying that I have. I've only said that I thought it was a mistake THAT'S IT!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!

[pdsldl]

And it is directly stated in Bound that they DID NOT have sex AFTER Harbinger. Hey don't shoot the messenger, the ONLY things I have stated about this particular subject is what is SEEN and HEARD in episodes. Fankly I don't know why everybody is so hot under the collar about me telling the truth. And another thing that is irritating me is that I never said that them making love wasn't an act of love. I'm tired of people saying that I have. I've only said that I thought it was a mistake THAT'S IT!!!!!!!! PERIOD!!!!!!!

When she said when a Vulcan mates Trip said they didn't mate. No one said they didn't have sex or make love. It's that language thing again. I ttok that to mean he thought they had made some sort of commitment but then her look told him what she really meant and he asked for more info.

[WarpGirl]

She didn't say 'mates' plural. She said "MATE" singular. The word is used in the singular tence (?) Honestly I can't spell that one.

[honeybee]

I do think there's a little wiggle room in that Bound conversation - a conversation which does irritate me since I think it is definitely implied in earlier episodes that they were very much involved prior to Home. But it is all open to interpretation, and people do see things differently.

Trip admits they are romantically involved in Home, not that they were and are now just friends. I take that to mean that they are lovers at that time. So, if you interpret the Bound conversation that they haven't had sex - well, that's just a contradiction. So, I'll go with the idea that the term "mate" has several interpretations. I don't know what the writers intended, but since they probably didn't. I'll stick to my view. But again, that's just my view.

[pdsldl]

She didn't say 'mates' plural. She said "MATE" singular. The word is used in the singular tence (?) Honestly I can't spell that one.

She said:

T'POL: There's a long-held belief that when a Vulcan mates, there's a shared psychic bond.
TUCKER: We didn't mate. Okay, what do you mean by psychic bond?

If they weren't involved why would Trip ask what T'Les knew about them in 'Home'? Must have been something to know.

[WarpGirl]

He askes, because he wants to know if T'Pol had told her mother that they HAD BEEN sexually involved. Besides Trip's response in your quote proves it... He says "We didn't MATE" singular, not we aren't mates, or we haven't mated. Implying a past continuous sexual realtionship because there WASN'T one. Maybey if English isn't someone's first language I could understand but it's right there in black and white.

[Alelou]

He could have been responding to the connotation of "mate" as something animals do. And I don't see what the 'plural' would be in that situation. We didn't mates? There's no such tense.

I agree, it's not a lot of wiggle room, but one might nonetheless choose to avail oneself of it. I know you don't choose to, but other people may.

[WarpGirl]

Maybe I just don't remember high school English as well as I thought. But really I'm not the devil out to destroy TnT love on the show.

[Kotik]

Well, that conversation in 'Bound' leaves a bit of wiggle room. In my personal universe they didn't jump each others bones during 'Harbinger', but the show implies they did.

Trip says "we didn't... mate."

I take that as him being against the use of that word. It is obvious that it meant more to him than just to stick it somewhere, that's why he most likely would have used another more passionate word for it. I doubt there was more intimacy between them before bound. T'Pol's invitation to go to Vulcan with her was some sort of spontaneous reaction, when she learned he had nowhere to go.

The T'Pol of that time was difficult to riddle out. If she really was interested in a relationship with Trip at that time, she made a monkeys breakfast of showing it. I think it's safe to assume that the incompetence of the show's writers is to blame for that. I think they weren't really interested in showing a serious romance as TPTB were way too reluctant to introduce any human/vulcan pairs before Sarek and Amanda.

[WarpGirl]

The only problem I havve with that theory is that by Bound even though Trip and T'Pol have done one of the most fantastic jobs of miscommunicating EVER done on ST... Even Trip would know that when T'Pol says "mate" she's not talking about animal reproduction. So unless he's just being difficult, as men are sometimes that explanation makes no sense to me at all. Also in season three they make it very clear that after Harbinger there WAS NO SEX. She was too busy detoxing, and IDK they were all trying to save the ALPHA Quadrent. Season four what I have seen of it gave me no indication that they were having a physical relationship. Unless EVERYBODY is just talking about Home, because if they are I'm completely lost. Because SYFY seems to be refusing to re-run it. But if one little wuestion that could be taken 10000 different ways is the only basis for this, I'm confused. If someone could give me an example in SEASON 3 where there is ANY evidence AFTER Harbinger where TnT were still having a physical relationship I will eat my words OK.

PS.Kotik I hate it I absolutely HATE it but even I admit that in the RU they had sex in Harbinger.

[Kotik]

PS.Kotik I hate it I absolutely HATE it but even I admit that in the RU they had sex in Harbinger.

I know, it's sort of difficult to deny. But that's what AU is for, dear

[WarpGirl]

Not difficult my friend, impossible! And we have E2 to thank for that... Come to think of it, whay didn't "future T'Pol" just say to "past T'Pol" Honey you're bonded to him.? I mean you're telling me she didn't figure it out in over 100 years. Yeah right! And I can buy ocean front property in Las Vegas.

Frankly that one disappointed me not for the angst, (that was warrented) but because I was all set to love it and I didn't. Lorien was nuts, "future T'Pol" was nuts, and about as helpful to her younger self as a bandaid to a gun-shot wound, and everybody from the future was one dimensional. The only part of it that was any good was the angst!

[Asso]

Two things, then I will no longer say anything.
First: I don't understand why the hell it has to be a bad thing that Trip and T'Pol had sex in "Harbinger".
Second: I don't understand why the hell it has to be such a strange thing that a woman who had sex with a man and who brings this man to her home for introduce him to her mom wouldn't have had to have sex again with him and, above all, I don't understand why the hell it's has to so difficult to believe that they are together.

Where the hell is the busillis?
It seems to me that it's like if we are talking about the angels' sex.

[Alelou]

Where the hell is the busillis?

What's busillis?

[Asso]

Where the hell is the busillis?

What's busillis?

The problem, or, rather, the problem which is not a problem, but only a "to want to look for a problem".
Latin corruption from " in diebus illis", which means "at that time".
The expression has been mistakenly translaten into the expression "in die busillis", which means... nothing: "at the day... busillis". But "Busillis" cannot by translaten, because it's word non-existent.
So, in short: a word non-existent, as a non-existent problem.