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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby Elessar » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:39 pm

Distracted wrote:I suppose anything's possible, but I've pretty much moved on at this point. Except for Lerteiran, I'm trying to devote my time to writing something of my own in my own universe rather than in Mr. Roddenberry's. It's coming more slowly than I anticipated, in part because I keep getting drawn back into ST fandom by discussions like this. :)

Oh well. I'm just weak and easily distracted. Thus the screen name. 8)


Whatever floats your boat, I say :D . I think probably the best way to write outside of Star Trek is to let Star Trek give you ideas... but for someone like me, IDK if your experience has been anything like this, but like 80% of my writing experience and learning has been in Trek, so I couldn't really just stop cold turkey if I wanted to. It's too much a part of how I learned to write, even though I did little bits of short fiction before. My "major works" before Enterprise, so pre-2005, were... a story called World War 3 about aliens helping the Allies defeat the Soviet Union; a tragic romance about two lovers surviving a school shooting; and a collection of stories about people who narrowly escaped death (fictitious). That's about it! :lol:

Occasionally what'll happen (which I never follow up on because I have no TIME! :lol:) is I'll get this great idea for a normal story, non Trek, not even sci fi, from an Enterprise or Trek story... or lately sometimes from Terminator... but I've had tons from Trek. It goes both ways, I guess... I'll have an idea for a normal story and go "hey that'd be awesome in the Enterprise universe!" :)

In any case, if I was going to devote a serious effort to trying to move out of Trek writing, I would probably start by continuing to write Trek until something conventional, aka, non-sci fi, struck me and I went "I'm going to write that!"
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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby Alelou » Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:57 pm

Silverbullet wrote:What intersted me in this episode was that at no time did t-Pol go to sickbay to check on Trip's progress or even ask Phlox about Trip. She showed no interest at all in Trip the writers had her focus on SIM.


Well, in the 44 minutes or so they have to tell the story, showing a scene like that probably would have meant dropping something else, and that plot was crammed enough as it was. But in fanfic, you can find many such scenes -- with Trip being visited by T'Pol in our corner of fandom, and by Malcolm in THAT corner, and by Archer in THAT corner, and Hoshi in the H/T corner... there are TONS of Similitude fics.
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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby WarpGirl » Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:00 pm

I never really understood the concept of Hoshi and Trip. He's like her big brother. I certainly saw no attraction to each other, aside from Hoshi saying he was "cute" in *the_abomination*. But come on, most women would say that and not all would want to jump him.
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Postby Alelou » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:33 pm

Oh, I don't get it either. I've watched a couple of Hoshi and Trip youtube videos and I just think, oh boy, how hard these folks have to work to try to get anything out of that at all.
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Postby Aquarius » Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:37 pm

Hoshi + Trip = scary
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Postby Kevin Thomas Riley » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:26 pm

Alelou wrote:My screen name should be Hopeless Addict. Or maybe Hitting Bottom. Um, no, that sounds a little too naughty.

Maybe that should be my nom de cyber! :oops:

Aquarius wrote:Hoshi + Trip = scary

Hoshi + Archer = scarier :shock:
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Postby Alelou » Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:31 pm

Kevin Thomas Riley wrote:
Alelou wrote:My screen name should be Hopeless Addict. Or maybe Hitting Bottom. Um, no, that sounds a little too naughty.

Maybe that should be my nom de cyber! :oops:


LOL. Sounds perfect!
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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby WarpGirl » Mon Jun 01, 2009 10:34 pm

Hoshi + Archer can be seen as pedophilia. She is 22 when she is assigned to Enterprise. Archer is 39 when Enterprise is launched. OK there are men who marry women MUCH younger than them, but come on!
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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby Silverbullet » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:13 am

Warpgirl, believe that Archer was at least 44 when the Series started. I at first thought he was Older but have since been told that in the Enterprise bible he is listed as in his early 40's.

Scott Bakkula was 48 when she series started that is why I thought that Archer was older.

Actually T-Pol physically was in her late 20's but her age supposedly was 64.
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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby WarpGirl » Tue Jun 02, 2009 12:21 am

I looked it up on Memory Alpha and it said Archer was born in 2112. Enterprise launched in 2151. Unless my basic math skills are worse than I previously expected that is 39. Hoshi was born 2129 making her 22. Trip was born in 2121 making him 30. T'Pol was born in 2088, so I believe she was 62, JB was 26. Malcolm doesn't have a year just a month and a day. Travis was born in 2126, making him 25.
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Postby Alelou » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:05 am

Eh, once you get past the age of consent, I don't think you can call it pedophilia no matter how big the age difference is.
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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby WarpGirl » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:08 am

I shouldn't have phrased it like that, I appologize. Would the term "Dirty old man" be accurate?
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Postby Alelou » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:13 am

How about lucky old man?
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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby WarpGirl » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:26 am

Honestly it isn't the number I object too. It's the fact that for all her accomplishments academically, she is extremely sheltered and what I like to call an extroverted introvert. Now I know it seems to be a contradiction in terms, but what I mean is she's very friendly, warm, compassionate, a communicator. But she has a VERY hard time opening herself up to people, and letting them truly touch her. She says that she grew up isolated with tutors and her whole family was distant except her grandfather. I think Malcolm is very much in the same mold only his social skills aren't as adept. So I like to see them together even though I think he's older than Trip. Malcolm may have been a "hound dog" but he doesn't let people touch him either. Archer well he's just too worldly for her.
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Re: Rajin & Similitude

Postby Silverbullet » Tue Jun 02, 2009 1:57 am

I would love to get my hands on that Enterprise bible. I have seen a number of ages given for ARcher. I will go along with 43-44. Oh yes, I remember.

In Broken bow we see Archer as a teen. then it says 30 years later. I know that in Broken bow he was not nine. so given that ARcher had to be older than 39.

Will have to review Broken bow. Have it on my DVR so can bring it up.

AGree that Malcolm and Hoshi seem right as both are reserved and quiet. both come from societies that are reserved: He from a royal navy Family and she from a Japanesee Society. I don't believe that Malcolm is older than Trip in fact thiink that he is younger.
so he would be about the right age for Hoshi.While Travis is anice guy don't believe he and Hoshi would click. Her japanese background probably would kick in. the Japanese do not hold the black race in very high regard.

Of course they don't hold anyone in very high regard for all that matters.
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