Vulcan Eating Habits

[WarpGirl]

Really! I didn't need to know that.

[evcake]

I have been trying to figure out this shellfish thing and I am lost. The only answer I can come up with is that these shellfish aren't sentient. ST doesn't really get the definition of sentience correct. Sentience is the ability to feel sensation or pain. Sapience (I spelled that wrong) is the ability to use intelligence. So I guess food choices are limited to sentience and animals that are sapient are never an option, for example a shelat.

I'm not even sure if the mollusks are auquatic. Maybe they're snail-like. Escargot anyone?

[Alelou]

Really! I didn't need to know that.

I know. Me neither.

Buy T'Pol knows everything, so she'd know.

[WarpGirl]

Seafood is the reason I can't be a vegetarian. Yes evecake mollusks are aquatic, take it from a fisherman's grandaughter. You know it's weird fish don't feel anything, unless you suffocate them which we don't of course. Death is quick and merciful. I find it hard to believe lobsters and crabs do suffer. They're brains aren't big enough. But you know scientists there's a contradictory study for just about everything. I'm not saying ALELOU is wrong, she most likely isn't, but I've never seen a lobster try to escape a pot of water.

[evcake]

the gastropoda are mulluscans (mollusci?) but of course there are marine snails...

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[Asso]

Hey!

[Alelou]

Oh, goodness, I have, or at least it seemed that way to me. That's why I make my beloved husband do the evil deed. Here's the article. I found it on Yahoo, but I remember it appearing in The Week about a month or two ago.

Apparently if you cool them down in the freezer first they may be too comatose to notice they're being boiled to death. Last time we steamed them anyway, but I don't know if that's better or worse. Steam is hotter than boiling water, but which actually kills faster?

The agony of the boiled lobster
That scream you hear when you place a live lobster into a pot of boiling water is just the air escaping from its innards. But make no mistake, says new research, your lobster is feeling the agony of being boiled to death. Some scientists—and most lobster lovers—have long contended that with their primitive neural systems, crustaceans such as crabs and lobsters cannot feel pain. But a new study on hermit crabs in Northern Ireland has placed that theory into question. Researchers found that after they zapped the crabs with electric shocks, the animals did more than simply recoil in a reflexive manner—afterward, they exhibited stress reactions such as grooming (scratching their bellies with their legs) and tapping against the undersides of their shells, much like a human being might lick a burned finger. What’s more, the crabs seemed to remember the pain. Even after the crabs migrated to other shells, their stress behaviors continued. As with other animals, study author Robert Elwood tells Discovery News, pain alerts the crab to tissue-damaging injuries and protects it by provoking such “a huge negative emotion or motivation that it learns to avoid that situation in the future.’’ He found that when shocked crabs were given aspirin, they acted relieved, and their stress-reducing behaviors subsided. In a separate study in which crabs had their legs twisted off, the stress response was so profound that the crabs died, even though they did not need the missing limbs.

[evcake]

I'm feeling a little faint...

Poor crabs - maybe it was the laboratory setting that was so stressful - all those people in starched white coats coming at you determined to learn something.

[Asso]

Maybe it's better passionfruit, don't you think?

[WarpGirl]

Eeeek! I don't like the idea that's for sure. My grandfather usually just gives them a good smack on the head before cooking them. But I watch Food Network A LOT particularly Alton Brown and all his seafood shows say shellfish don't really feel pain, and if you know anything about him it's that he uses science for EVERYTHING! Maybe when Iron Chef uses lobster again he'll say something.

I think Vulcans would really like Terran Thai food. It's spicy and balanced and a lot of vegetarian options. And traditionally no chopsticks, which makes it easier for T'Pol. But also deprives Trip of his show.

[Silverbullet]

I have never cared for Shellfish.

One of the reasons was when I was young I lived in Seattle. there was a place on the Waterfront called Ivar's Acre of clams.

One thing that he sold, which was very popular, was clam Nectar. Sounds tasty?

Well Clam Nectar was the water the clams were cooked in. It contined Sand, a little dirt and Clam Do Do.

People loved it and drank it by the Pint.

Why toss out the water when you can give it a jazzy name and sell it.

Anyway, I never trusted Shelfish after that.

[WarpGirl]

Aw Well, some people just don't. My brother-in-law lives on Prince Edward Island home of the best mussels in the world. If it live in water he won't eat it. Personally I think he's insane. Anyway Seattle is wonderful for another reason Starbucks! But Vulcans don't like coffee for some reason, I don't know why caffine doesn't affect them. Maybe it's too bitter.

[Silverbullet]

You know something I must be part Vulcan because I don't like Starbucks Coffee.

I love coffee but the brewed kind. Unfortunately havn't had a perculator in years.
Have one of the those Automatic Drip kind now. Not the same.

[WarpGirl]

Sorry I've never undstood how anyone could not love Starbucks. Coffee and chocolate are my two vices I can't live without either. I was thinking more about Vulcans and mollusks and I have an idea... What if it was a human business harvesting and exporting the shellfish. Kind of like a company based in the US opperating in Europe or any other country. That would eliminate any confusion. However I read on memory-alpha that some Vulcans would eat them. Then again I read that some would also eat replicated meat. It seems to me that at least after the 23rd centery Vulcans have a lot of free choice. I don't think T'Pol would eat either, though. However I can see her hunting and eating meat if it was her only option for survival. And if you think about it it's only logical... How can you hold all life as sacred if you don't view your own as sacred? I've always seen Surak as a man who wasn't trying to preach strict dogma as much as he was laying out a set of guidlines and principals for people to incorperate them into their individual lives. Are there hard and fast rules? Yes, but how you would aplly them is a personal choice based on your personal conscious.

[evcake]

Warpgirl. I do because my wife makes sure I do.

She read labels as if they are gosphel


I monitor Blood Sugar daily. Blood Pressure too.

But believe me it is sheer torture to go through a supermarket or to the mall and pass some places.

Can you have sweetriot cocao nibs? They're dipped quite thinly in that 68% dark chocolate and have only 1-2 calories apeice so I'm guessing the carb count isn't high. A friend of mine with diabetes uses them to quiet the jones. They're so strong you can't eat more than a few, apparently. Dinky little things - size of a tic-tac.