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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby Alelou » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:52 pm

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Alelou wrote:WG is right, though. They never spoke of love, but of attraction. But T'Pol also said Sim admitted having feelings, which I would say indicates more than just attraction. It may not be the three little words, but it's more than just thinking someone is hot.


That's all I meant by it. I agree thatthey are in love, but come on to say that the conversation in Harbinger, and the making love after was a declaration is so WRONG.


Well, I think it can be interpreted different ways by different people, WarpGirl. To you it's WRONG. To others it might be a stretch. To still others, it may simply be a case of two people doing what they both know but can't bring themselves to admit out loud.
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby WarpGirl » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:55 pm

But if you stretch it to the very limit of being reasonable, believing it to be a decleration of love, how can you explain the morning after in ANY way that makes sense? It's not possible. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: I mean what two sane people "admit their love" in any form, make love, then one says thank you for being my lab rat. And the other says you're welcome, nuropressure tonight? Um sorry, how can anyone get that out of Harbinger? Nobody admitted anything really.
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby Asso » Thu Aug 13, 2009 7:59 pm

Oh... which things have sense in love? :)
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby WarpGirl » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:01 pm

Asso if love didn't have any kind of rationality at all we wouldn't be able to truly experience it. Because you can't experience something you have no basis of understanding with. Does love make you irrational? At times. But love itself isn't irrational.
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby Asso » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:10 pm

Logic doesn't explain everything, WarpGirl. If I love T'Pol, that's because she FEELS this. And, believe me, the prototype - Spook - wasn't different. He has been enjoyed because he was still hanging in the balance between logic (the "so said"Vulcan logic) and the undeniable truth of the human irrational feelings. :)
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby honeybee » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:15 pm

Okay, I'm new around here..but I'll just jump into the conversation.

I've always seen Similitude as the key TnT episode. I think there is very much attraction and deep feelings there, but T'Pol certainly doesn't realize she's in love until the events of Similitude. And its not just from the conversations she has with Sim, but the fact that she loses him - and he is essentially an analog to Trip. That had to have evoked pesky feelings of love in her.

Harbinger is not my favorite TnT episode, but it does make sense to me. She's behaving immaturely, because she has no idea how to react to her feelings - the feelings she's been aware of since Similitude. She's ashamed of them, and Trip can't possibly understand it because he wasn't around during Similitude, isn't a Vulcan and has no idea she's on the pipe. Now, the romantic in me, I wish it had been written differently, but there you go. They are two people, from two different cultures in a time of war - they both aren't seeing things clearly. She might be cold at the end of Harbinger, but he's awfully clueless for not recognizing how unusual her behavior has been.

Thankfully, I believe that starting in Forgotten, things are going on behind the scenes that are much better written and have the two behaving like grown ups. At least in my own head. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :lol:

As for the bond, I tend to think it forms gradually, over the course of the relationship in the third season - not just during Harbinger, since the conversations they later have are probably just as intimate as what went on during her "exploration". Which I also imagine was far more intimate than either of them admit at the end of that episode.

edited to add: I don't know when Trip falls in love with T'Pol, but I think it is sometime between The Xindi and Similitude, probably gradually. They have several flirtation scenes, so its hard to pinpoint. But by the neuropressure scene in Similitude, he's treating her like his girlfriend, whether he admits it or not.
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby pdsldl » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:58 pm

WarpGirl wrote:But if you stretch it to the very limit of being reasonable, believing it to be a decleration of love, how can you explain the morning after in ANY way that makes sense? It's not possible. :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: :dunno: I mean what two sane people "admit their love" in any form, make love, then one says thank you for being my lab rat. And the other says you're welcome, nuropressure tonight? Um sorry, how can anyone get that out of Harbinger? Nobody admitted anything really.



Couples go back and forth all the time. Madly in love today angry and pulling back the next. Fear and a lack of understanding yourself ans someone else when you're risking the most vulnerable part of yourself can bring about a thousand different reactions, Just because she got scared and backpedaled doesn't say anything about how she really feels. it simple says she was afraid of her feelings and didn't know how to handle them. It was a normal reaction for anyone and add to that being Vulcan, the TD, and the expanse and most likely a fledgling bond to an emotional human and who can blame her.
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby Asso » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:18 pm

pdsldl wrote: Couples go back and forth all the time. Madly in love today angry and pulling back the next. Fear and a lack of understanding yourself ans someone else when you're risking the most vulnerable part of yourself can bring about a thousand different reactions, Just because she got scared and backpedaled doesn't say anything about how she really feels. it simple says she was afraid of her feelings and didn't know how to handle them. It was a normal reaction for anyone and add to that being Vulcan, the TD, and the expanse and most likely a fledgling bond to an emotional human and who can blame her.

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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby Alelou » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:57 pm

I agree. And bully to Trip for figuring it out, more or less.
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby WarpGirl » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:03 pm

Whether they are in love or not isn't the issue. :roll:
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Postby Alelou » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:10 pm

It appeared to me that you were arguing that SilverBullet was wrong to suggest they had declared their love before having sex.

It seems to me that arguing they were in love even if they didn't declare it clearly to each other would be relevant to that discussion.

YMMV.
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby WarpGirl » Thu Aug 13, 2009 11:27 pm

Not really I already stated that I believed they were. YMMV???????? What does that mean?
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby WarpGirl » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:09 am

Now I'm a car buff mainly good old fashioned American Muscle but I still don't understand what Alelou is trying to say.
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Re: TnT's Bond - How does it work?

Postby Alelou » Fri Aug 14, 2009 1:10 am

Your Mileage May Vary = you may not see it the same way
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