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[CX]

I'm thinking more along the lines of being border-line panicked and not exactly being an expert marksman. I have more chances of hitting a threat and neutralizing them with more rounds, even if they don't have the same punch that larger rounds have. Sure a .45 will knock someone down, but even a .22 can do that if you hit them in the head or in the center of mass. A 9mm seems like a nice compromise between the two, and I'm sorry, but semi-autos make a lot more practical sense than revolvers in daily use in a combat environment. The only things revolvers have going for them is that they rarely if ever jam.

[Entilzha]

If your attacker(attacking you with a knife or by bare hands) is within 7 to 10 meters range you go hand to hand not try to pull your gun because will not be fast enough to get it from your holster. Also works the other way around if someone is trying to pull a gun out at that range you attack them at full out speed.

[Entilzha]

Listening Pantera (it's nice and relaxing )

[Elessar]

I'm thinking more along the lines of being border-line panicked and not exactly being an expert marksman. I have more chances of hitting a threat and neutralizing them with more rounds, even if they don't have the same punch that larger rounds have. Sure a .45 will knock someone down, but even a .22 can do that if you hit them in the head or in the center of mass. A 9mm seems like a nice compromise between the two, and I'm sorry, but semi-autos make a lot more practical sense than revolvers in daily use in a combat environment. The only things revolvers have going for them is that they rarely if ever jam.

I know but I wasn't talking about "a combat environment". A personal defense situation isn't a combat environment, it's a spike, a one-time event where everything needs to work, which is actually why the two CCW instructors I had BOTH recommended revolvers over semi-autos for personal defense. Though, I'm not going to go revolver, I'm just trying to make a case for their relative superiority over semiautos for many aspects of personal defense.

If your attacker(attacking you with a knife or by bare hands) is within 7 to 10 meters range you go hand to hand not try to pull your gun because will not be fast enough to get it from your holster. Also works the other way around if someone is trying to pull a gun out at that range you attack them at full out speed.

7-10 METERS? That's 30 feet. you're saying you don't think a person can drawn a weapon in the time it takes someone to cross 30 feet? The average non-athletic person is going to take a good 15 seconds to cross that distance, an athlete, maybe 7, in either case, it's enough. Plus, in personal defense you aren't tought to stand still in this situation... "space is your friend", and you're tought (as I was tought) ways to maintain distance between you and your attacker while you prepare to defend yourself. If someone came after me with a knife at ANY range, I'd do whatever I could to MAKE the distance, like a side-step or a bit of a short sprint, to gain the distance to pull your weapon. I'm not going to go hand-to-hand to a guy with a knife if I'm carrying a gun, I'm just gonna FIND a way to get it out.

[TSara]

I am knitting......knitting knitting knitting!

I have to finish one baby blankie than start another right away AND THAN start another.


Must be something in the water because everyone I know is having babies.

Except for me that is.

[Asso]

I don't dare ask too much, but I am near you!

[Entilzha]

Trust me Elessar in a surprise attack situation you will not be able to get a gun out of the holster. I saw in some show how they train in the Philippines National Police Action Force (basically S.W.A.T.). The showed that in that distance in an attack from stand still position the person with a knife is always faster and they actually encourage to engage at that distance an armed assailant with a knife. And in a surprise attack you will not know what hit you. Most of the times the person who attacks with a knife never shows it until the last moment so you can forget your gun because you will not know you've been attacked until you feel the blade in your gut.

[TPoptarts]

7-10 METERS? That's 30 feet. you're saying you don't think a person can drawn a weapon in the time it takes someone to cross 30 feet? The average non-athletic person is going to take a good 15 seconds to cross that distance, an athlete, maybe 7, in either case, it's enough.

I don't think so... like in my school we had a thingy in PE when we trained kinda like 2 baseball bases that were like 30 feet apart, and like we had to start at base 1 run to base 2 and touch it with our hands, run back to base 1 touch it with out hands, run back to base 2 touch it with our hands, then run back to base 1. So that's like 120 feet. With stops. I did it in like 8-9 seconds (well and most people actually).

[blacknblue]

I would venture to suggest that the best type of firearm would vary according to your environment. I have a Berretta type semi-auto, and a larger target pistol. But for field walking or just walking in the forest, when I wanted something in case of snakes or casual attack, I would borrow my mother's .38 special. Why? Because I want something that when I grab it and pull the trigger, it will fire. I don't want to have to lever one into the chamber. And I absolutely, categorically, refuse to carry an automatic with a round already in the chamber. Not gonna happen unless I am actually stalking a target with my finger on the trigger.

[CX]

I guess they trained us to carry an M9 with one in the chamber and the safety off in the holster so it's ready to rock as soon as you whip it out when I was in the Air Force, so naturally I'm biased toward that training. Of course the holster you keep them in aren't like the ones the cops use either, they are completely encased so there's less risk of the trigger getting hooked by something and shooting your big toe off.

[TPoptarts]

Watching: SouthTrek... on my iPod nano

[blacknblue]

I guess they trained us to carry an M9 with one in the chamber and the safety off in the holster so it's ready to rock as soon as you whip it out when I was in the Air Force, so naturally I'm biased toward that training. Of course the holster you keep them in aren't like the ones the cops use either, they are completely encased so there's less risk of the trigger getting hooked by something and shooting your big toe off.

What happens with a jarring impact that causes the pin to hit the primer? Is the holster enclosure strong enough to contain the shot? Or are you going to take one in the knee?

Or for that matter, a jarring impact like a crash, or a long fall, that is powerful enough to set off the primer itself?

But then, in the military you are operating as part of a unit whose express purpose is to go out seeking the enemy. Whereas a cop's express purpose is to go out hoping he DOESN'T find any trouble.

[CX]

I can't say as I ever heard of something like that happening. The way I understood it, the hammer is never cocked or pulled back until you pull the trigger, so the pin shouldn't hit the primer as you described. But then it was a crash course and they didn't really go over that in the briefing. They basically just told us not to do anything stupid and described a few of those stupid things to us. Shooting yourself in the foot because you grabbed the trigger before your weapon was out of the holster was pretty much the main thing.

[TPoptarts]

Watching: Monk (download was alive and I couldn't help myself )

Hey it's Saul Tigh in the first episode

[Elessar]

I guess they trained us to carry an M9 with one in the chamber and the safety off in the holster so it's ready to rock as soon as you whip it out when I was in the Air Force, so naturally I'm biased toward that training. Of course the holster you keep them in aren't like the ones the cops use either, they are completely encased so there's less risk of the trigger getting hooked by something and shooting your big toe off.

What happens with a jarring impact that causes the pin to hit the primer? Is the holster enclosure strong enough to contain the shot? Or are you going to take one in the knee?

Or for that matter, a jarring impact like a crash, or a long fall, that is powerful enough to set off the primer itself?

But then, in the military you are operating as part of a unit whose express purpose is to go out seeking the enemy. Whereas a cop's express purpose is to go out hoping he DOESN'T find any trouble.

What CX is describing (and you probably know this too, BnB) is called Condition 1. While it is perfectly acceptable to carry your weapon at Condition 1 for a civilian whenever he wants, and they train you as a soldier (in all branches) on how to safely carry your weapon at Condition 1, there are also times when you are and aren't supposed to, and I don't think you're ever supposed to unless you're in a combat zone but I don't know that as a fact.

In the situation CX was describing of the hammer NOT being back, I wouldn't worry at ALL about an accidental discharge pulling it from your holster because I have small hands it takes a lot of deliberation for someone like me to overcome the 4-5 lbs of pressure on a double action trigger pull. It's if the hammer was back that I'd be pretty cautious in Condition 1.