We need more ENT inspirational posters

[Alelou]

Hey, I still want them together ANYWAY, even though it's nuts. But I don't think I'd find them as interesting if it were simply a mature meeting of minds that blossomed into romance and segued easily into lifelong commitment. That would probably make me wanna gag. The joy with these two is the struggle!

Honestly, given how negatively you see that episode, which shippy episodes do you actually like? (Other than Damage, which everybody likes.)

[Pitseleh]

Wait just one second? Who says everyone likes Damage? T'Pol is freaking out thanks to her addiction (I loathe that, loathe it), and not even a steamy shower scene saves that for me. She tries to kill the guy in the end! I'd have written an actual happy shower scene for S5, man...

[KKGlinka]

Hey, I still want them together ANYWAY, even though it's nuts. But I don't think I'd find them as interesting if it were simply a mature meeting of minds that blossomed into romance and segued easily into lifelong commitment. That would probably make me wanna gag. The joy with these two is the struggle!

Ahah, yes, the soul-bond cliche as used to side-step actual narrative development of a relationship.

[justTripn]

Very interesting list Alelou.

Hmmm . . . The way I see it is we have a couple that both ABSOLUTELY SHOULD and ABSOLUTELY SHOULD NOT be together . . . And that's a perfect set-up for drama.

[Alelou]

Wait just one second? Who says everyone likes Damage? T'Pol is freaking out thanks to her addiction (I loathe that, loathe it), and not even a steamy shower scene saves that for me. She tries to kill the guy in the end! I'd have written an actual happy shower scene for S5, man...

Oops. I meant "The Forgotten." I always get those two titles mixed up.

[mjimeyg]

[CX]

Hey, I still want them together ANYWAY, even though it's nuts. But I don't think I'd find them as interesting if it were simply a mature meeting of minds that blossomed into romance and segued easily into lifelong commitment. That would probably make me wanna gag. The joy with these two is the struggle!

The thing is, the drama should've come from the difficulties faced them by that lidt you came up with, not the immaturity and contrived high school angst that we got.

Honestly, given how negatively you see that episode, which shippy episodes do you actually like? (Other than Damage, which everybody likes.)

I didn't much care for Damage either. The shower scene was great, right up until they turned T'Pol into a zombie and had it all be a dream. If it was real (not including zombie T'Pol) and had taken place instead of Harbinger, it would have been awesome. The other thing I didn't like about that episode was that it established the Trellium business, and made T'Pol into a criminal who was responsible for all the deaths that had occurred while she was in command while under the influence of a controlled substance. As for 'shippy episodes I liked, I'd say Strange New World, Breaking the Ice, E-Squared and Countdown, the latter mainly for the promise of some reconciliation between them, which unfortunately never really came. Demons and Terra Prime were decent 'shippy-wise too, at least once they got past the weird bickering and mistrust between them at the beginning of Demons. That's not to say I think any of these episodes are just absolutely awesome, in fact they all had some stupid and/or contrived elements to them, but they were pretty good 'shippy-wise.

[justTripn]

Wait just one second? Who says everyone likes Damage? T'Pol is freaking out thanks to her addiction (I loathe that, loathe it), and not even a steamy shower scene saves that for me. She tries to kill the guy in the end! I'd have written an actual happy shower scene for S5, man...

Oops. I meant "The Forgotten." I always get those two titles mixed up.

"The Forgotten." I think it's safe to say we all like/love that episode. That one might be unamanous?

[CX]

Well, it isn't bad per say. It suffers from a common cliche in Trek, which is to only ever bring up a supposedly important character as a plot device. I hate to say it, but Jane Taylor really is like Trip's sister in that regard too, in that we never got a chance to even see the character until after they were already dead, so there wasn't as much of an emotional impact. For that reason, The Forgotten was pretty "meh" for me. It had a good TnT scene in it though.

[Alelou]

I think that Forgotten scene was by far the BEST TnT scene we ever got. It was also the kind of thing that made the whole Expanse arc more than just a chance to fight some funky cool aliens while amortizing the production costs across a whole season.

Not to mention the acting was EMMY WORTHY. It's so not fair that SF actors get no attention.

[Pitseleh]

Wait just one second? Who says everyone likes Damage? T'Pol is freaking out thanks to her addiction (I loathe that, loathe it), and not even a steamy shower scene saves that for me. She tries to kill the guy in the end! I'd have written an actual happy shower scene for S5, man...

Oops. I meant "The Forgotten." I always get those two titles mixed up.

The Forgotten. Yup. I sure love that one.

[Asso]

Hey, I still want them together ANYWAY, even though it's nuts. But I don't think I'd find them as interesting if it were simply a mature meeting of minds that blossomed into romance and segued easily into lifelong commitment. That would probably make me wanna gag. The joy with these two is the struggle!

Honestly, given how negatively you see that episode, which shippy episodes do you actually like? (Other than Damage, which everybody likes.)

The joy with these two is the struggle!
To a certain extent.
Strange, don't you believe? It sounds that women like love angst more than men. Eh Eh! And it's incredible the logic with which they are capable of blazing a trail to a illogical conclusion!
Hey! Please don't skin me! I'm joking, you know, and then... well ! There's a reason if I am talking thus!

[leslina]

Strange, don't you believe? It sounds that women like love angst more than men. Eh Eh! And it's incredible the logic with which they are capable of blazing a trail to a illogical conclusion!

Asso, I just had the exact same thought about MEN after reading Elessar's fanfic update (sorry E, but I still can't wrap my head around your TnT in part one with your TnT in part two ). Between him and JT (:wink:), it seems that MEN are the real angst whores (which explains a lot about Joss Whedon. :snerk:I've heard him say in interviews that he absolutely loves angst). I personally don't care for angst as a plot device. Struggle is one thing, but drowning your characters in angst repeatedly to see how far you can torture your characters and viewers is just contrived bullshit. If I want to read a Greek Tragedy I'll read Euripides or that copycat Shakespeare and I incidentally, I don't like either.

[mjimeyg]

In honor of Leslina's name that character question...

[Pitseleh]

Although Carpenter Street sucked big time, T'Pol did look great in it.