T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

[pdsldl]

I'll agree she was emotional but she was also the first full blooded Vulcan to live full time with a ship full of overly emotional humans. I always gave her the benefit of a doubt for that and also because she went in knowing the two highest ranking officers had a less than friendly attitude towards Vulcans. Archer verbally backed off on his slightly when he asked her to stay but his behavior said he still held bad feelings toward her people.
I can't imagine how I'd react to a similar situation but I'm sure expressing my emotions inappropriately given the circumstances would be the least of it.

[pdsldl]

Okay. Enough now. I'm tired of that. Arguing is beautiful, but it has to have some aim. And it's necessary that people want to hear each other.
Maybe I can sound a little bitter, perhaps also slightly harsh, and in this case, I beg pardon to everyone.
I will return when I will be capable of being sweeter.

I'm sorry I'm confused who's arguing and who's not being sweet?

[Asso]

But me, obviously. It's me the one who is arguing aimlessly, and who is not sweet. I think I need a pause

[pdsldl]

Fine but I don't see your statements as being pointless. and you're always sweet. You have stated this before and I never understood why you believe the fact that Trip is human and T'Pol is Vulcan is not important. The fact that one is male and one is female matters when it comes to a relationship so how could their culture and upbringing not be? It would be great and very romantic to think that they can just be two people in love and all will be right in their world but do you think that's realistic.

[Asso]

I will try to explain to you what I mean. But, please, forgive me, not now. Evidently, considering that I attempted to do it in vain many times, I must find the right words, and I'm not sure I am able to find them, at present.
But I appreciate, very much, your words.

[WarpGirl]

I'll agree she was emotional but she was also the first full blooded Vulcan to live full time with a ship full of overly emotional humans. I always gave her the benefit of a doubt for that and also because she went in knowing the two highest ranking officers had a less than friendly attitude towards Vulcans. Archer verbally backed off on his slightly when he asked her to stay but his behavior said he still held bad feelings toward her people. I can't imagine how I'd react to a similar situation but I'm sure expressing my emotions inappropriately given the circumstances would be the least of it.

I understand your point, really I do. But to do that is simply not living up to who and what she is. Like I said it's not the fact that she has emotions, or that she even expresses them. But she let's them control her for the first three seasons. To be fair, all of the Vulcans do but that's my point. I feel it sort of cheapens her heritage. And when you cheapen that you cheapen part of what makes her who she is and by extention the relationship with Trip. I don't like that.

ASSO dear please don't be upset. We just want to understand. That way we can look at things in a new way. You know, "Challenge your preconceptions." That's what we want to do. Your opinions are special.

[Silverbullet]

We are what we are and TnT are what they are.

We, can hide behind the facade of the Net. We can be whatever we present and who is to say differently?

T-Pol is a vullcan in a diffeent environment she is with 80 humans and one Denoblian Doctor. Sure she closes up a like a clam. It is a survial tactic. don't blame her at all.

Trip is Human and a unique Human. He alone of those on the Sbhip at least tries to reach
t-Pol. The NP brought them together in a very intimate way. In a way they were both vulnerable and it was easy for them to fall in love. the question is, would have they had it not been for the NP and their vulnerability?

I think so. they were so unique in their own way that they were like becons to one another. they drew each other. Had they not been so good for each other I believe that they would not have started a love affair and she would not have seduced him. that Cole would not have aroused her jealousy.

They were meant for each other and each recognized that.

UNfortunately their difference made everything twice as difficult as it would have been if they were of the same species.

Tnt one of the great romances of History if the damned writers had the brains to write it that way.

[WarpGirl]

Good point. I like the fact that it's hard though. I like the fact that they both had to put aside there own desires for cultural reasons. I appreciate the unselfishness of their actions. I think it's a good example of unconditional love, despite the circumstances. I like the fact that they have to learn, grow, and accept their differences as individuals. Nothing worth having is easy. I'm not a fan of easy.

[Silverbullet]

Well nothing is evere easy about being in love. Just recognizing it is hard at times.

At first the male tires to surround the female and keep other males away. He watches her every mmove and questions any male around her until he is satisfied that the male does not present a threat.

After he calms down and is sure of her they can start.

I damn near drove one female right up the wall, I was jealousy personfified.

she finally said that was enough she couldn't put up with it any more.

I was a tad young at the time. I did learn, eventually.

I wonder if Trip went through that? It may have amused t-Pol at first but probably
would have got to her.

I can jsut see Trip glaring at Malcolm, Travis, Archer with this No RTrspasing look which he would probably try to hide as quickly as possible so they wouldn't catch on. but he would
have slipped up somewehre and let the cat out of the bag.

[WarpGirl]

T'Pol wouldn't mind jealousy it's apart of her psyche, it's what made her bed Trip to begin with. When a Vulcan isn't in control jealousy is one of their dominent personality traits. And it makes sense, think about Vulcan history... Clans warring, trying to anihilate certain rival bloodlines, stealing women to breed stronger bloodlines. They needed jealousy to protect their families. That's why Kali-fee exists. Nothing would make a Vulcan woman feel more safe in a bond than to know her mate will fight and kill for his right to have her. It's the same for women but very rare, it seems that Vulcan women are dependent (for lack of a better term) on their men for security in a bond. She will fight for him if she is certain he will fight for her. So no T'Pol would probably feel safer knowing Trip was jealous.

Now humans aren't all that different. Biologically we're pretty much hardwired the same way. But society has programmed us to behave differently. Personally I say everything in moderation. There's posessive in the "I'll keep you safe and stay faithful way" and then there's the "psycho get out before someone is dead way" one is healthy one is just freakish.

[Silverbullet]

You know Warpgirl, the way you describe the ancient vulcans accurately mimics the ancient Scots. They did the same things. Stealing women was a blood sport with them. Also trying to wipe out other Blooodlines or absorb them into their own clans. the Scots were a bloodthirsty lot. Life wasn't easy then especially for the females. they kept getting stolen, made pregnant and kept barefoot i the winter.

[WarpGirl]

Meh if I remember correctly Vulcans were supposed to be a mix of Chinese, Japanese, and Ancient Greeks, particularly Athenians. All pretty warlike in the begining but each developed philosohies of self control. Add a mix of Gahndi and Buddah and you have Surak. All in all facinating people, which is why I push culture so hard. Add that to physiology and it's PWERFUL stuff.

[Silverbullet]

Warpgirl. Later, yes.

but in the Vulcan ancient times when they allmost destroyed thier planet with their wars and fighting they resembled the Scots. Even today you have the Highland Scots and the lowland Scots. two diferent cultures. the HIghland fought hard to keep thier indepencence. the lowland Scots became vassels of the British selling out to them and putting themselves under British rule.

[WarpGirl]

Facinating. I might have to look that up. Still I'm more inclined to go with the Samarui and Yakusa mentality for now. Respect for blood and self sacrifice for family was always important. Vulcans might have been feral, but always ruthlessly intelligent. Look at T'Pau.

[Silverbullet]

So to bed.

I am tired because my one eye is tired tonight.

Will have an answer for you on the morrow.

good Night, sleep well.