T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

[WarpGirl]

Well I've always thought that since Trip said to Malcolm he believed it would be "a one-way mission" and the fact that they were going into a dangerous uncharted region of space, where supposedly the laws of physics don't apply, he'd make arrangements in case he died before they found the Xindi and completed their task. Also Enginnering is the absolute most dangerous job you can have even just exploring in peaceful circumstances. It's rediculous to depend on a single individual. However I forgot how illogical it would be to argue with the Captain. Like Tuvok said, "Rule 1... The Captain is always right. Rule 2... If the time comes where she is wrong, remember rule 1." It's wrong, funny, true, but very very wrong. Sorry for thinking like a human.

[Escriba]

Well, in Star Trek logic, Trip was the only one capable for the job. This is like this in all the series (just the main characters can do things, the rest of the crew is there to... I don't know, play poker and drink.) And following Star Trek logic, Sim (with Trip's memories) is the one who takes the ship out of the magnetically charged cloud.

Sorry for thinking like a human.

We forgive you, we forgive you

[WarpGirl]

Yeah well I know it makes sense in ST world and that's great. In story writing world not-so-much. Thanks for the forgiveness, but I try REALLY hard NOT to think like a human when talking about aliens. Vulcan, Klingon, Andorian, heck even Tribbles. I just really hate it when I do that. But it's obvious I argue, . I do try to control the tendency, but in my family you learn when you speak. So I come by it honestly.

Still trying to figure out why T'Pol would advocate destroying embryos. It makes no sense to me that a person from a culture who won't kill animals unless they were literally going to starve to death, would think it right to kill embryos that are frozen and can't harm anyone. I mean Trip had an alien embryo that could have killed him, and it never came up. If we're going to ascribe to the logic of an adult's life, as being of greater value than an embryo... <shudder> Shouldn't that logic have already come up?

[Escriba]

Well, embryos have a very clear finality: to grow and create a viable little human being. Since they were Augments embryos, they would never develop. So it's just having them in some kind of limbo, because you don't destroy them, but you don't let them live.

But I think she said that because she was using the Captain's logic: if they are so dangerous, why not destroy them? From his point of view.

[Distracted]

As dangerous as the Augments were supposed to be, the writers' justification for having her say that was probably closer to "The needs of the many living beings in the galaxy outweigh the needs of the few genetically engineered potential psychopaths".

[WarpGirl]

Yeah you're probably right Distracted. As awful as I think that is. Also if I remember correctly that principle was never supposed to be used as justification for EVERYTHING that might be morally ambiguous. At least not according to Roddenberry. I remember in a VOY episode, Janway said... "Logic can be used to justify anything, that is it strength and it's greatest weakness." Spock also said that you cannot live by logic alone. So frankly I think using Surak as a scapegoat is rather hypocritical.

But did T'Pol have to say it? I mean why not Hoshi? Heck let's strike a blow for gender equality and say why not Malcolm or Travis? Or do they remember every word of history they were taught from school? Malcolm and Hoshi might but come on.

[Silverbullet]

Thinkig about T-Pol's Unvulcan behavior. In Azati Prime believe it is very
unvulcan like for her to whine "I don't wnat you to die." and then go into the Ready Room and start to boo hoo over Archer, shedding tears. then tossing Trip out of the room when he
was trying to help her and get her to go out and command, then trying to get into the shuttle Pod. Believe Trip was right when he accused her of just wanting to try rescuing Archer. Lastly while the ship was being destroyed around her she sat in the Captains Chair mooning over ARcher.

Wonder had that been Trip if she would have done any of those things.

Very Unvulcan like.

[WarpGirl]

Sure because she was High out of her mind.

[Silverbullet]

I agree that she probably was spaced out of her mind in Azati Prime but I thought she was trying to kick it with the help of Phlox. He was giving her injections to help her through withdrawal.

anyway, Spaced out seems to me the only reason she would be all over Archer.

However, believe that the writers, especially Mike sussman, was trying for an A/TP moment here to see if it would fly with the fans. apparently not as it was dropped until the forge Arc when they tried again.

Sussman simply could not accept that there was no chemistry between the Archer and t-Pol characters nor between the actors.

Tnt burned up the screen with chemistry so did CT and JB. they wre naturals Like some other great Hollywood screen couples.

That was always one of the big problems with Entrprise. Stubborn people like susman who was dead set on creating a paring which he liked in spite of the Fans dislike for it and the utter lack of screen chmistry of the parings. guess Bragga went along too as I think he was a closet A/TPer. else why would he kill off Trip in *the_abomination* and have t-Pol hero worshiping Archer with you look Heroic and putting up with his hug.

GAG.

[WarpGirl]

She didn't go to Phlox until after her melt down, same episode wrong timing.

[Silverbullet]

Thought in Damage she went to Phlox and he started to iject her with something to begin her healing of the Neural pathways.

After she damned nar killed her self going to Cargo bay two and getting the TD to melt it down so she could inject into her blood stream.

[WarpGirl]

I'm on a roll this week. You are correct.

[Silverbullet]

Good of you to say so.

Damn I wish I could write i have these stupid plots ruuning around in my mind. I would like to put them down so I could see what they look like. I can see them in my mind but reading them would give me a kick.

Ah well.

Peace

[Distracted]

Just start writing. That's what I did. You might surprise yourself.

[Aquarius]

Just start writing. That's what I did. You might surprise yourself.

I completely agree. And you can always ask one of the writers here who you admire to help you give it a little polish if that's what you're worried about. But seriously, more fic is a good thing.