Misanthropic's new story - Reflecting To You

[Reanok]

The popcorn was directed to the rest of the thread:

That ingenious bit about fan fiction writers having the right to write whatever they want is soooo TRUE. So true, in fact, that I'm wondering why it was even said here because we all already know it.

But fan fiction writers ALSO have the right to receive constructive feedback without the peanut gallery pointing out the obvious to the reader who gives it. For example, I just got this bit from a reader on FF.net for one of my stories.

Personally, I don't agree with her moral perspective, but the feedback was very much appreciated because it still made me think of the direction I was taking my story. And I can't tell you how much I actually APPRECIATE all the other readers of that particular piece not jumping in and pointing out that "authors have the right to write whatever" just because she had the guts to state her opinion. As a fan fic writer it actually annoys the crap out of me when people do that because then I have to weed through all the BS to find something that's actually constructive.

I'm wondering... are comments like "that ingenious bit" and "without the peanut gallery pointing out the obvious" really constructive either? Apparently I've been away from this community for too long. When was it exactly that Trip/T'Pol fic writers started backbiting and taking jabs at one another? When did it happen that the comments of certain people were more welcome than others? This is the kind of behavior we used to hate over on the BBS. I think we need to elevate the discussion around here a little bit. People can have disagreements in good faith. They can even disagree strongly, again in good faith. But everyone should be entitled to politely speak their mind without other people making snide comments and taking offense. If you state your opinion, you should to expect that others may chime in as well and disagree with you. I think you'll find that people's definition of BS will vary greatly. So too will people's definition of constructive criticism.

I think Miss Ann Thropic has been planning this story for a long time and she's doing a great job so far and I'm enjoying it. Yes these characters have gone through angst after what they've been throught it's to be expected also as MA has mentioned in upcoming chapters we'll get to see T'Pol's pov and I'm looking forward to seeing what she's got planned in her story of how things will turn out how they'll be dealing with their loss and working through that grief is a long journey ahead of them. MA you're doing a great job keep it up it's starting to get really good.I'm interested in see how Mu T'Pol will fit into this story and how ru Trip & T'Pol will handle their relationship. Keep it up Miss Ann Thropic I look forward to seeing what suprizes story twists and turns future chapters you will be taking with our favorite couple.

[evcake]

Zane Gray wrote:I'm going to be posting a story update soon too. Cheers...

[Reanok]

Yes it's great to hear Zane's going to be posting an update soon.

[MissAnnThropic]

Well, I certainly didn't mean to set off a brushfire here, but I have had this story in mind for a long time so I have a fairly distinct idea in my mind of how the relationship reacts to the aftermath of Terra Prime with the added twist of MU T'Pol.

After Cry Havoc I was wrung out on Enterprise fanfic; I still loved it, but the idea of tackling another novel-length story was daunting. But Reflecting to You was that novel-length that was waiting in queue to be written. I denied it for more than a year, but it has never completely gotten out of my head, and I can think of only one sure-fire way to exorcise it.

I can appreciate some people don't like angst. Personally, I happen to like it. I lose interest in stories that chronicle the happily ever after for hundreds of pages. That's just me. I will stand by the choice I made in Reflecting to You, founded on the belief that at the place Trip and T'Pol are in their personal lives after TP, angst is unavoidable. As the writer, that's my attack angle on RtY, and no, not everyone will like that. You can't please everybody.

For those who don't mind the emotional gutting as a result of our fav couple losing a child, I'll try to get the next part posted in the next few days.

MissAnnThropic

[CX]

I don't think its so much the angst in and of itself so much as how the characters are dealing with it. Cry Havok had plenty of angst but it drew TnT together rather than spliting them apart. But that's just my take on it.

[Rigil Kent]

It's not the presence of angst. I don't know where people keep getting that from, apart from presuming that, since I stated that I don't care for the "Post-Elizabeth, T'Pol Pushes Or Runs Away From Trip" angle of fics, and then extrapolating that such a statement must therefore equal "Don't Like Angst."

I can't put it any better than pookha did originally, or in her second and third comments, all three of which seem to have been lost in this latest blow up on these boards.

it just drives me crazy that tpol didnt even attempt to explain vulcan mourning to trip and try to make him a part of it.
she didnt know they were bonded when she lost tles but now she does.

see i can give a pass about certain things to the authors of tgtmd because they dont have total control over what they would like to write. they have to appease viacom to a degree.

but a fan ficttion author can do what they please so i dont understand this kicking trip aside like happened on vulcan . especially after the end scene of terra prime.

i went against my better judgement and read three.
it drove me even crazier.
while it paints tpol in more sympathic light it also seems not to understand a vulcan can shut out certain things from their bond mate but the epathic connection can still be very alive.
sarek blocked from amanda that he was ill but just look at the scene were they are alone together and there just seems to be this special connection between them.
why didnt tpol just try to learn to block the stronger emotions comin from trip and learn how to better control the connection.
surely a vulcan healer could have tried to help her with that.
i am curious to learn did she even try this.

and i also wonder if tpol cared for trip why not see about
if it would be better to see if the bond could be safely severed
instead of casting trip into this hellish limbo empty state he is trapped in.

i just dont understand her not even trying to explain things to him.

and once again the concept of i grieve with this seems to be alien to the story.

except for what ever odd thing is with their eating together even though tpol seems to be willingly blind to the harm she is causing trip.

i guess i keep on seing that final scene of terra prime their holding hands and the idic between them.

tpol could have spent her ten days on vulcan with the healers and learning how to help herself and trip.
she could have taken trip with her to mount seleya so he could possibly be helped by the healers but she instead just took off and left him on his own.

that is why i am having a hard time buying she is trying to protect trip.
her actions of just abandoning him to himself on a strange world right after the burial of their daughter to me says something different.

if she was concerned for him why not try and get him help.
we know she hasnt visited phlox out of concern for trip.

That's what my issues revolve around. It seems callous of T'Pol to knowingly run away from Trip this time. If she can't handle his emotions on top of hers, that's fine, but not even bothering to tell him what's going on or why she's running away (this time) is frustrating.

That's all I'm saying.

[CX]

Wished I was that articulate.

[Asso]

It's not the presence of angst. I don't know where people keep getting that from, apart from presuming that, since I stated that I don't care for the "Post-Elizabeth, T'Pol Pushes Or Runs Away From Trip" angle of fics, and then extrapolating that such a statement must therefore equal "Don't Like Angst."

I can't put it any better than pookha did originally, or in her second and third comments, all three of which seem to have been lost in this latest blow up on these boards.

it just drives me crazy that tpol didnt even attempt to explain vulcan mourning to trip and try to make him a part of it.
she didnt know they were bonded when she lost tles but now she does.

see i can give a pass about certain things to the authors of tgtmd because they dont have total control over what they would like to write. they have to appease viacom to a degree.

but a fan ficttion author can do what they please so i dont understand this kicking trip aside like happened on vulcan . especially after the end scene of terra prime.

i went against my better judgement and read three.
it drove me even crazier.
while it paints tpol in more sympathic light it also seems not to understand a vulcan can shut out certain things from their bond mate but the epathic connection can still be very alive.
sarek blocked from amanda that he was ill but just look at the scene were they are alone together and there just seems to be this special connection between them.
why didnt tpol just try to learn to block the stronger emotions comin from trip and learn how to better control the connection.
surely a vulcan healer could have tried to help her with that.
i am curious to learn did she even try this.

and i also wonder if tpol cared for trip why not see about
if it would be better to see if the bond could be safely severed
instead of casting trip into this hellish limbo empty state he is trapped in.

i just dont understand her not even trying to explain things to him.

and once again the concept of i grieve with this seems to be alien to the story.

except for what ever odd thing is with their eating together even though tpol seems to be willingly blind to the harm she is causing trip.

i guess i keep on seing that final scene of terra prime their holding hands and the idic between them.

tpol could have spent her ten days on vulcan with the healers and learning how to help herself and trip.
she could have taken trip with her to mount seleya so he could possibly be helped by the healers but she instead just took off and left him on his own.

that is why i am having a hard time buying she is trying to protect trip.
her actions of just abandoning him to himself on a strange world right after the burial of their daughter to me says something different.

if she was concerned for him why not try and get him help.
we know she hasnt visited phlox out of concern for trip.

That's what my issues revolve around. It seems callous of T'Pol to knowingly run away from Trip this time. If she can't handle his emotions on top of hers, that's fine, but not even bothering to tell him what's going on or why she's running away (this time) is frustrating.

That's all I'm saying.

I only I can subscribe.

[blacknblue]

Chapter four (4) is up.

http://www.wickmoo.com/wips/rty/rty04.html

They finally meet up in this one.

[Reanok]

Miss Ann thropic great chapter I can't wait to see what happens next in your story.this getting really good.How will Trip handle dealing the situation akward to say the least.

[dialee]

Darn! Reading your most recent chapter in the middle of my vacation crystallize a feeling I had. I really don't like cliffhangers.

If the author and the story is good, which I know this is, then I am going to look for and come back for the updates no matter so the cliffhanger at the end of chapter four is just plain irritating.

Please update soon. I can't wait to see T'Pol and Trip's expressions.

[Entilzha]

Chapter five is up http://www.wickmoo.com/wips/rty/rty05.html

[Reanok]

Wonerful new chapter MA I'm glad Archer sees the grief Trip & T'Pol are going through and he's frustrated that Trip won't open up to him about what he's dealing with other than the fact he and T'Pol aren't talking to each other. I'm glad Archer is asking Phlox for advice.

[evcake]

Lovely! More, please!

[Asso]

I beg forgiveness of everyone, but it is all so complicated. Maybe slightly too much complicated (and slightly cold).
Obviously, this idea is my own.