Star Trek: Foundations (temp thread)

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

I have a question as to why Enterprise's sensors couldn't find the shuttlepod. Normally the ship has very sensitive sensors that can pick up things from light-years away, but here we have a situation were the shuttlepod is in the immediate vicinity of the Enterprise when it gets lost. Are really the sensors on your Enterprise that primitive? And how effective have you established them to be previously (can't remember if that's been stated)?

The sensors were briefly flash blinded by the explosion, and afterwads there was so much debris flying around that they couldn't get a fix. Remember, they were in the planet's ring system.

So? Even if they were blinded initially and there was much debris, Trek sensors have usually been able to pick of artificial objects like a shuttlepod among a lot of rocks. They don't really have to get "a fix". Just sweap around and they can pick things up, often from very long distances. Heck, they can even detect ships travelling at warp.

However, you may have re-written the rule book for your Trekverse, and that your prerogative.

[blacknblue]

I think they are trying to make Trek science a little more realistic.

[CX]

Yeah, pretty much. These aren't the uber sensors of the 23rd or 24th centuries or even of the ENT-verse.

[Kenshin]

Great episode. Looking forward to the next one.

[Rigil Kent]

Rigil and I were a bit worried at the reception this would receive since it's another episode redux (well, mostly Rigil was worried ).

I'm actually still worried over them. I understand KTR's comment about redoing the "bad" episodes, but "bad" is an entirely subjective opinion. For example, a majority of people like the Vulcan arc of season 4 and think it's excellent: I think it frankly sucks. Most people don't like Hatchery, but for some reason, I love it. A vast majority of ENT fans think season 4 is the best thing since sliced bread, but I'm in the minority in that I don't think it's all that great; infinitely superior to the tripe of season 2, admittedly, but I'd never use the gushing terms I've seen for it.

I knew that we were going to run into this issue with Adrift since SP1 is generally acknowledged as one of the better episodes of the series (absurd dream aside). It's one of the reasons that I remain leery of redoing episodes at all (which me & CX have argued over several times). The farther we get away from season 1, though, the fewer opportunities there are for "redos" as our universe continues to get farther away from the canon-verse.

*shrug* Can't win 'em all.

[CX]

Guess we'll just have to see what KTR thinks about the mid-season finale since he isn't hot on these episode rewrites. I guess I've thought they've been good. Mostly I was worried about this one being a bit to wordy but only one person has said anything about that.

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

^ Hey, it's only my one opinion, and it's just worth the digital paper it's written on (as Rigil is so fond of saying ).

It's not that they aren't good (they are). It's that they're not entirely new.

[Rigil Kent]

^ Hey, it's only my one opinion, and it's just worth the digital paper it's written on (as Rigil is so fond of saying ).

Expect a call from my lawyers, Mr. Riley. Your use of that phrase constitutes copyright infringement.

It's not that they aren't good (they are). It's that they're not entirely new.

So, basically what you're saying is that if the episode in question is closer to being inspired by as opposed to based on, you're okay with it? The mid-season finale that CX referenced probably closer to that, in that it takes a single element from an episode but goes in a different direction. I guess we'll see...

[hth2k]

GUess I rather agree with KTR in I find myself underwhelmed with this retelling an existing story. I much prefer your original work. I'm trying to figure out why but honestly not very hard. Perhaps it is too similar to what we saw before. Perhaps some other viewpoint could have been explored. I understand the motivation of cementing the rationale for Trip and Reeds friendship. I read it once but am not currently motivated to read it again. Yeah maybe that isn't fair but that is the way it is right now.

I liked the idea of giving Travis a bigger part and actually contributing due to his experiences as a boomer though it feels glossed over some. Maybe T'Pol could have been given an opportunity to show some of her experience and expertise as well.


YMMV

HtH

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

^ Hey, it's only my one opinion, and it's just worth the digital paper it's written on (as Rigil is so fond of saying ).

Expect a call from my lawyers, Mr. Riley. Your use of that phrase constitutes copyright infringement.

Bring 'im on!

So, basically what you're saying is that if the episode in question is closer to being inspired by as opposed to based on, you're okay with it?

Pretty much, yeah! Best, of course, is original work.

[CX]

You see, the thing is, I guess I see these rewrites as me living up to my original promise to make the series as ENT should have been. When I use something for FND from ENT its because it's something I thought ENT got right to begin with and so should be done in the FND-verse. When I do these, yes, I try to change them to be different, but I'm not keen on the idea of abandoning key character moments simply to be different from ENT just for the sake of being different. If that was the case I would've reworked my Endeavour series and done that rather than bothering to make a reboot of ENT as I would've liked to have seen it.

Now I don't want anyone to be under the false impression that I'm saying this simply because I can't take negative feedback, rather, this is my explanation behind the rewrites. I'd kind of like that to be taken into consideration, but if you don't like it, I guess you don't like it. :shrug: Aside from Reed and Trip talking in the shuttlepod and T'Pol's "bum" being brought up at one point, there isn't all that much similiarity between this "Adrift" and SP1.

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

^ I do understand why you're doing it, and as I've said before I'd done the same if I had a time machine and a possibility to impersonate B&B. But from the standpoint of a reader already familiar with ENT, it's going to be a sense of déjà vu every time.

[hth2k]

I tried not to be negative. Guess I like the few episodes that worked well without a redo. I see what you are doing as an expansion and correction or elimination of some of the screwups as it were. No, I don't know how you would keep the content without retelling the story again other than saying SP1 goes here between this ep and the next one.

Sigh.

Just forget I said anything.

Carry on.

HtH

[CX]

I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone, and this isn't the first time I've received criticism for doing an episode redux. I'm just trying to explain why I do them.

[hth2k]

I think my comments reflect my own current malaise more than anything else. This too will pass.

No biggie.It is all good CX.

HtH