Trip and T'Pol's future in the relaunch novels - Your Though

[Rigil Kent]

I have no further comments to make. You have your opinion, I have mine. I hope you're right, I really do.

[CX]

No,its not the same CX ,the Ainters said that without having any romantic relationship between Archer and T'Pol ,they were desperate in season 3 (believe me,i've read all theyr forum post from in the timeframe between season 2 and 3 ) .
Between Trip and T'Pol there is an actual romantic relationship ,canonical ,and the writers kept it ,they actually made love in this book (something that season 4 failed to produce )not an experiment ,there are fellings aknoeldged and presented ,very strong fellings ,she cries 3 times for him ,she tells Phlox that his "death" is very hard for her ,that she is having trouble sleeping and maitaining her control , we have actual romantic interaction between them in this book i don't think its finishiping because we actually have something to ship for right there,they didn't brake up ,the war broke them appart ,and i don't think they will forget about the mind-link .
This is just the first book ,i think its to earlly to speculate about the ending .

It doesn't matter, y'all are still saying the same thing NOW about how there's "potential" for a "future relationship". It's the exact same thing the AinTers fawn over about *the_abomination*.

Edit: And yes they did break up, on Vulccan following baby Elizabeth's funeral.

[Zane Gray]

The evidence in The Good That Men Do that Trip and T'Pol's relationship will continue in future books seems pretty overwhelming to me. She acknowledges to herself that she loves him, she misses him deeply when he's gone to the point of seeming even wistful, she finds his letter to her confessing his love, she cries for him not once but twice, she tells Phlox that things she shared with Trip have "forever linked" them, they share an intimate dream through their bond, Trip actually initiates a mind meld with her in the bond (which I believe is an important red flag that points to the direction of future events), he tells her that he will see her again when the Romulan business is over, he decides that he's going to try to make it work with her when he can, he's now got a lifespan to match hers. Hell, even Archer acknowledges the relationship and seems fine with it. He's even sensitive to the fact that T'Pol is suffering badly in Trip's absence. Despite the fact that Trip may not be a crewmember on Enterprise again, there's absolutely nothing in either this book or Last Full Measure that would suggest that he and T'Pol won't or couldn't be together again somehow in the future.

On top of this, I have myself spoken with Margaret Clark, and gotten the distinct impression that she has plans for the pair - something that's already plotted out in terms of a direction for their characters and the development of their bond and relationship. Beyond that, for those of you who want a smile plastered onto your faces, check out this thread at the Scott Bakula Fan Forum, in which Andy Mangels, the co-author of this book (and the next one as well), replies thusly to an A/T'Per's complaint about the future of that relationship in the relaunch books:

"As to the Archer/T'Pol thing, don't get your hopes up. It would not get approved by highers-up. However, their relationship as officers and friends will continue to be explored, and may take some surprising turns in the future."

Here's the thread:

http://p067.ezboard.com/RE-Latest-ENT-N ... 8316.topic

It would seem to me fairly obvious that the authors are deliberately setting up Trip and T'Pol to have a continuing romantic future together, despite the obstacle of Trip being off ship undercover during the Romulan War (and having to live under false identites thereafter), and it also seems clear that Archer and T'Pol are done as a romantic pairing. The wording of the end scene between Archer and T'Pol is particularly telling, right before Archer's big speech, when he gathers her into "a warm but platonic embrace." That wording was no accident, it seems to me. I'm just saying. But then I've said all this before.

[boushh]

No,its not the same CX ,the Ainters said that without having any romantic relationship between Archer and T'Pol ,they were desperate in season 3 (believe me,i've read all theyr forum post from in the timeframe between season 2 and 3 ) .
Between Trip and T'Pol there is an actual romantic relationship ,canonical ,and the writers kept it ,they actually made love in this book (something that season 4 failed to produce )not an experiment ,there are fellings aknoeldged and presented ,very strong fellings ,she cries 3 times for him ,she tells Phlox that his "death" is very hard for her ,that she is having trouble sleeping and maitaining her control , we have actual romantic interaction between them in this book i don't think its finishiping because we actually have something to ship for right there,they didn't brake up ,the war broke them appart ,and i don't think they will forget about the mind-link .
This is just the first book ,i think its to earlly to speculate about the ending .

It doesn't matter, y'all are still saying the same thing NOW about how there's "potential" for a "future relationship". It's the exact same thing the AinTers fawn over about *the_abomination*.

Edit: And yes they did break up, on Vulccan following baby Elizabeth's funeral.

This is what 'shippers do CX. At least we have a relationship that is being developed... even if we do have to "hope" for a future for them. It's part of shipping, and last I checked this is a shipper site. I really don't understand these types of comments being made. We were hoping for a relationship and watching the potential relationship on the show. It's the same with the books and more because there is blatant acknowledgment of feelings and them wanting a future together.

I know some of you guys don't like the book and don't like the direction things are being taken, but some of us did. Please take our opinions at face value.

And an edit after reading Zane's post...

I still see that there is a lot of potential for the relationship... Zane posts a ton of evidence above. It may not be to everyone's liking, but it's there. So I don't think it's too much to hope for. Yeah, I'm not getting my hopes up too high, but at the same time I cannot look at what evidence there is and brush it underneath the carpet. Not yet anyway. And even if T/T were done in the books sometime in the future, it would not kill my interest in the pairing. There is the show. There is fanfic. And for right now there are books that I can look forward too, and I'm happy for that.

Zane, let us know if you had any other interesting tidbits from your conversation with Margaret Clark.

[Rigil Kent]

And the exact inverse is also true. The way you phrase that, I feel like suddenly I'm being accused of being the "bad guy" for thinking the book was mediocre.

[boushh]

I don't think you're a bad guy for thinking the book is mediocre. It isn't your opinion that I have a problem with. My comment was about CX's likening us to the A/T'Pers. It wasn't a flattering comment, judging by how some of you guys feel about them, and what they thought of the finale. I just do not see the comparison, and I think it's kind of a put down when it's posted here at a T/T shipper board, you know? That's what I mean by taking our opinions at face value. There is more to what we're talking about than wishful thinking.

[CoffeeCat]

OMG ^^^^ That forum is so funny.
I just read a post that said that some writer was fired because she forced T/T and was obsessed with Connor.

eek.


I'm ROTFLMAO.

[Rigil Kent]

My comment was about CX's likening us to the A/T'Pers. It wasn't a flattering comment, judging by how some of you guys feel about them, and what they thought of the finale. I just do not see the comparison, and I think it's kind of a put down when it's posted here at a T/T shipper board, you know? That's what I mean by taking our opinions at face value. There is more to what we're talking about than wishful thinking.

Well, CX is blunt. It's probably the thing I like the most about him. I always know where I stand with him 'cause he'll tell me, point-blank, what he thinks. No prevarication. No covering it with sugar. Just blunt, in-your-face honesty about what he thinks. I guess I can see how that might offend someone, although I doubt that was his intention.

[blacknblue]

Some people just have to understand something. When you poke a sacred cow, it is going to moo.

[boushh]

Rigil, I just feel that T/T shippers shouldn't have to defend themselves for shipping. Not here. We get flack at other places. At a shipper board it shouldn't be happening. That's all.

[CX]

I'm not asking anyone to defend themselves, I'm just pointing out a similarity I saw and you can tak that for face value. It's one of those things that I saw that frustrated me and I felt this overwhelming need to voice that because I see us as better than them and I want to stay that way. It's just really, really sad that some of us, optimistic or not, end up having to say the same thing about the relaunch books as the AinTers do about *the_abomination* because of the damage the the books have done to the 'ship. That's it. I'm not out to attack anyone, and I certainly don't want to be made out to be the bad guy for pointing out an obvious similarity. I've spent some time on the AinTer's board just to see if any of them could actually explain what it was they saw or at the very least what there were on that made them see what they claim to, and all they ever do is go on and on about the potential they saw for some future relationship between Archer and T'Pol because of something Mike Sussman supposedly said after writing Twilight.

Really don't appreciate being made out to be the bad guy again.

[boushh]

CX, people are giving you the evidence they see... and a lot of it is way more solid than a look or a line spun a certain way. I just don't see the comparison.

I don't mean to make you out to be a bad guy, but it isn't an us vs them competion here. I'm tired of this shipper war business.

There are shippers here, and the T/T shippers who liked the book have their reasons for liking it and for seeing the potential for a future for T/T. They aren't over by a long shot at this point in my opinion. That may change of course, but at the moment I see hope that they will continue it... It is no different than watching season one, two or three of the show and hoping that they are going to go somewhere with the relationship, except now in the books the relationship is already there... now we're waiting to see where they go with it.

That's all I have to say.

[hth2k]

Personally I find blunt people quite easy to deal with on many levels probably as I am quite blunt oftimes.

Personally I find it much easier to have someone give an honest opinion straight. The message is far easier to perceive for me. I may not like it, but it is likely I will understand.

Intent means a great deal.

Insensitivity can backfore more often than may be considered as many are vastly more sensitive than we may realize.

Judegment develops with time and we learn where we can be honest and to what degree. While I understand this and the need for it, I also am somewhat saddened by it.

How things are said can go a long way to minimize bruised egos and hurt feelings. This is an area where I have much to learn.

I also think everyone here that I am aware of is of good will generally and does not seek to abuse their fellows regardless of differing opinions, styles, or needs.

Bottom line, there is room for all points of view and styles. All will cause friction somewhere.

YMMV

HtH

[CX]

Here's the comparison - Archer and T'Pol go their separate ways at the end of *the_abomination*. However, there are a few things said and done by them that gives the AinTers this idea that now that Trip is out of the picture, Archer and T'Pol have the potential to hook up at some point in the future after having to supposedly deny their love for one another. However, there is no evidence or reason to assume that this will be the case. Trip and T'Pol go their separate ways at the end of TGTMD (technically for the second time since they broke it off earlier). There are things said and done that lead some people to believe that there is potential for them to hook up at some point in the future after having denied their love for a while (at least T'Pol did anyway from my understanding). However, with the way things are left off, there's really no reason to say that will be the case. If anything, the framing sequense in LFM gives some cause for concern. Take it or leave it, that's just the way I see it. :shrug:

[boushh]

Were Archer and T'Pol bonded and in love with each other and wanting to be together?

There is way more going on in TGTMD than what went on in *the_abomination* for A/T'P. Way more. And that isn't even an opinion. It's fact.