T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

[Escriba]

Do you know, WarpGirl and Silverbullet, that I'm watching your discussions from a very anthropological point of view? It's fascinating. Because you represent the male vs female (OK, with a Vulcan side touch) perspective perfectly.

[WarpGirl]

Cool! Do you like "Bones" I'm always thinking Anthropologically now. I love it.

Silverbullet FEAR! Mindless, irrational, uncontrolable FEAR! It makes no sense it just is.

[Escriba]

Cool! Do you like "Bones" I'm always thinking Anthropologically now. I love it.

Yes, I like it very much, although this last season has disappointed me a little and the last chapter just... grrrr... I don't want to talk about it.

But I think that Brennan is very T'Pol

Anyway, to the matter at hand. The thing is that nobody thinks what T'Pol did in "Harbinger" was a good thing, but we try to understand or explain (not excuse) it. Fear, jealousy and sheer stupidity are in the top 5 in popular votes

[WarpGirl]

Meh lots of people didn't like the finale I did. It was very realistic in terms of what happens after a traumatic operation both from the patient's POV (personal experience) and the family's or loved one's. Besides the clothes girl the clothes! I wanted all of "Bren's" wardrobe. God those shoes! I don't think Brennen is T'Pol actually I think she's even more "human" than Booth at times. But God, they better go somewhere next season. I mean she's the one fully aware of their love, Gorden Gorden said so.

Back OT The thing is I hear about how great it is they had sex and I'm like. "You've GOT to be joking, did you all miss the results?" Not literally of course because that's mean. But the whole thing turned into a mess of EPIC proportions and it took away T'Pol's Vulcan identity. Not the sex per se, but the Trellium and irrational jealousy. Nothing good came out of their night together. Where as I believe something very good came out of T'Pol's marriage and the Kir'Shara. Oh well... I'm in the minority not the first time and won't be the last.

[Silverbullet]

Warpgirl, everything good should have come out of thier night together. It didn't.

T-Pol jealousy wasn't so irrational. she had nothing to go on. vulcans don't get jealous, do they?

Cole represented something she never had to deal with before. The female in unexpected never really had Sex with Trip. Neither did the female in Oasis. Only Fishstick apparently did. Oddly she never seemed to get jealous about fishstick. the other two yes.

anyway. cole was getting too close. You remember the look on t-Pol face when Cole revealed that Trip had discussed his sister with her (cole). t-Pol had thought until then that was a private intimate thing with her and Trip she was hurt that he would share that with cole. then when cole swatted Trip on the Butt cole was laying hands on T-Pol territory.

T-Pol had to fight for Trip so she fought with the only weapon in her arsenal that she was sure would defeat Cole. Herself.

That is why I have wished the writers would have shown us more of that Seduction, Trip and t-Pol in bed TALKING. They had to say something to one another. Trip had to wonder why. He had to ask t-Pol the reason she was seducing him. he had to tell her he was all right with it as long as it was done out of caring (Love) not just for sex. She had to say someting. would she say that it was just an exploraton. don't think so. I am sure if she said that Trip would have got out of bed furious dressed and stormed out of her quarters. she would not risk that. so she must have said someting to give him the idea that she was doing this out of love for him. I don't think that they could or would have sex without saying a word. NOt knowing how long they were in bed doesn't help as it is hard to judge if all they had time for was one hurried coupling.

[WarpGirl]

Vulcans DO get jealous when their control is shattered. And T'Pol's control was because of the Trellium, I say that her jealously is irrational because if she HAD been in control of her emotions she would have dealt with it differently. And YES she was hurt by Cole I'm not denying that. But she shouldn't have acted the way she did. And it's obvious that they didn't have any intimate conversations during their time together. It STINKS yes but it happened. And they were BOTH stupid, she was acting out-of-character because of her addiction, he didn't follow up on that. Like it or not the drugs made a HUGE MESS. Nothing good happened with that night.

[Silverbullet]

How was Trip to know she was on Drugs? He had a hard enough time just figuring her out at any time. He didn't know that she was OOC because of Drugs.

Dinner, back inn a while

[WarpGirl]

Watching the first 3 episodes of season three. Unfortunately Trip is indirectly responsible for her first exposure to Trellium. He was covered in it during their first nuropressure encounter. BTW That scene was kind of awsome. Great Chemistry almost like Myrna Loy and William Powle. Be back later, oh and Trip couldn't know it was Trellium but he DID know she was NOT herself, that should have raised a huge RED FLAG.

[Silverbullet]

Trip said he showered about five times to get all of the TD off.

He did have a lot of chemistry with her that first NP. She sure gave him a peek at what she had on top.

BAck to Harbiner. T-Pol brought up cole and Trip said "Yo are Jealous." T-Pol said Vulans don't get Jealous." Trip said that means you have feelings for me.

Then T-Pol said that Trip had feelings for her and added that Sim had told her that he (sim) had feelings for her. Trip admitted that he was jealous of himself. T_pol said that means you have feelings for me.

Kiss, drop robe, Kiss fade out.

That is an abreviated version.

However, she hammered at cole even to cole touching Trip' behind which seemed to annoy
t-Pol a great deal.

It wasn't the drugs it was Cole that had T-Pol going.


BTW, I eat to live I don't live to eat. I have no sense of smell at all. I can stand next to an open half full Septic tank and not smell a thing so my sense of taste is about 99 percent gone too.

[WarpGirl]

OK I know it wasn't the drugs that gave T'Pol her feelings for Trip and about Cole. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that the drugs made her act on those feelings in a way she would not have, IF she had not been taking the Trellium. She would have been jealous of Cole without the Expanse, the trellium, the pa'nar, or the anomalies reeking havoc with her physiology. BUT she wouldn't have bedded him then FREAKED either. Really I can't blame T'Pol for the drugs when I take everything into consideration. Her physiology was under attack, that video of the Vulcan ship 2 days in the Expanse was chilling. And they didn't have Trellium. Of course they made it so just want to "feel" yeah sure... The point is seducing him wasn't the way to go. That was a decision they should have made together.

[Alelou]

Those eps were on scifi tonight and I ended up watching them (which is SOOO stupid when I have the DVDs, but whatever -- I got to see a variation on the Connor Trinneer movie commercial at least, and this time they actually identified the guy!).

I thought Blalock played T'Pol as quite emotional BEFORE any Trellium-D got into it. When she's talking to Soval, when the Klingons are firing, she looks on the verge of a nervous breakdown in Vulcan terms. I thought it was odd. She was comparatively calm with Trip (as he freaked out so entertainingly).

So this fits the whole panar thing, but unfortunately there's nothing in the script to go along with that.

[WarpGirl]

I know I'd never seen them before. Well continuing my education. Oh why did they bother having the Klingons there? USELESS! Anyway I go with the pa'nar because it was the only way it makes any sense whatsoever. IMO T'Pol didn't start behaving like a Vulcan until season 4.

[Alelou]

Eh, the Klingons just filled up space with a little action when they didn't have enough time to make up a new villain to defeat.

[WarpGirl]

Still I considered that to be really awful. Soval was just as emotional as T'Pol in the first episode. In fact until the 4th season the only Vulcan I saw that was even close to correct was V'Lar. And even she had some major slips when it comes to the "proper" Vulcan behavior we are introduced to in TOS and beyond.

[Silverbullet]

Good Night. Had to talk about the back and now it is hurting. Damn

Tomorrow.