Star Trek: the new movie.

[CoffeeCat]

CX, you haven't seen it yet?

er...

FAIL.

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Alright. I think I'm up for reviewing it. I started a new blog and I need some filler posts anyway. I'll be working on that along with my review for Red Dwarf: Back to Earth which was genuine crap.

[thecursor]

It's absolutely necessary I write a sequel of "Honeymoon Evening"
T'Pol must see "Il Trovatore"!

LOL, A Vulcan at the Opera ("I do not find these 'Marx Brothers' amusing.")

[justTripn]

Here's what I want to know:

SPOILER!!!:

The robo-cop. Are those just for routine stuff like traffic patrols? Seems to me you'd still need good old fashioned humans for a lot of stuff, like detectives. Because these can't be like Data, after all.

I'm fence-sitting in my interpretation of that scene. Is it a robo cop? Is it a person with heavy armor including a voice synthesizer? Is it a robo cop remotely controlled by a real person sitting in his virtual reality simulation gear including a microphone and . . . nah . . . I don't get it either.

[Elessar]

I think it's a cop with body armor, though the voice synthesizer is a little unncessary.

[JadziaKathryn]

Hmm. Obviously, I thought it was a robotic cop. What's with the 'citizen' bit, though? Here I go with the historian stuff again, but it's eerie. See, that's what was used during the radical phase of the French Revolution. "Citizen." Everyone was (if I'm spelling the French correctly) addressed either as citoyen or citoyenne. Equality by abolishing other, rank-based forms of address. But since we all know how that turned out, it's a bit freaky.

Was getting milk tonight and at our Super Walmart the milk is by snack food. Thus I was sidetracked by Fudge Sticks which had a token with which you could get a 1G Trek flash drive (in a bracelet ) with pre-loaded Trek files. You have to pay $7.99 and I'm not a Fudge Sticks fan (not chocolately enough!) so I passed, but it was neat anyway.

[thecursor]

See, the phrase "Citizen" just screams robot to me. Not a complex one, just "robot".

[WarpGirl]

Was getting milk tonight and at our Super Walmart the milk is by snack food. Thus I was sidetracked by Fudge Sticks which had a token with which you could get a 1G Trek flash drive (in a bracelet ) with pre-loaded Trek files. You have to pay $7.99 and I'm not a Fudge Sticks fan (not chocolately enough!) so I passed, but it was neat anyway.

I'm with you on the fudge sticks, so not chocolately enough, so I wouldn't waste the money. BUT the good news is Sunday I may finally see the movie!!!! Mama has broken down, though not due to my pressure. And girls night is set. About time too, I needed one.

[CX]

I resent any implication that I might be purposely "slighting the old franchise" if that is what you think I am doing. I absolutely LOVE the old franchise, and as I said I actually prefer it to the movie's new AU timeline. I don't feel I am slighting the RU in any way.

When I make a general statement like that, I'm not referring to you specifically. When I say "slighting the old franchise", I actually mean people who bash the old franchise and make out the people who watch/care about it to be basement dwelling nerds. So no, just liking the new movie isn't slighting the old franchise.

But you haven't seen the movie, that's not an 'informed opinion' at all, it's actually the exact opposite of an informed opinion.

Wrong. "Informed" means that you have information on which you've based your opinion. By your standards I'd have had to live through historical events in order to base an opinion on them. I know the information, so watching the movie won't do anything other than reward Paramount with my money. And if I did see it and kept on as I am, I have little doubt the question everyone would be asking is why I went to go see a movie I knew I would hate. In other, less friendly places, some might even accuse me of going to see it specifically to gain ammunition with which to bash the movie.

I hate "These are the Voyages", but that's because I actually SAW These are the Voyages. I sat down and fucking watched it and it lived up to the hype and it was bad. Not as bad as I thought but bad.

Really? Because when I watched it all it did was piss me off more to actually see what I already knew play out.

[Aquarius]

See, the phrase "Citizen" just screams robot to me. Not a complex one, just "robot".

Same here.

ETA:

about "informed opinions": sometimes a performance of something can make all the difference in the world. I "know" what's in a lot of Shakespeare plays, even read some of them in school, and I thought they were dry and boring and not worth my time. However, the times I've seen them performed. I've enjoyed the stories quite a bit, because performance and interpretation can really add something to what you think you already "know."

So please consider that without seeing the actual performance of the movie, yes, you may be actually missing something.

[thecursor]

Wrong. "Informed" means that you have information on which you've based your opinion. By your standards I'd have had to live through historical events in order to base an opinion on them. I know the information, so watching the movie won't do anything other than reward Paramount with my money. And if I did see it and kept on as I am, I have little doubt the question everyone would be asking is why I went to go see a movie I knew I would hate. In other, less friendly places, some might even accuse me of going to see it specifically to gain ammunition with which to bash the movie.

This isn't a thesis defense about the sociological ramifications of the Second Battle of Adobe Walls, CX. We're not discussing the merits of field observation verses research, it's a fucking movie, man. Just go see it.

You don't base an opinion on a piece of film entirely on OTHER people's interpretations of that film. KTR's opinion rings a lot more true because he's actually seen the film, he's seen it, he hates it, now we discuss it. You haven't seen the film and yet you're preemptively claiming you'll hate it and that we're all going to rag on you because you saw it and hated it.

Every third word out of your mouth is "Everyone's making fun of me for hating the film..." but to be perfectly frank, I'm betting more people are reacting more to the force of your argument then to the argument itself. You have this odd tendency to take everything like it's the end of the world and to suddenly discover that the one issue you've been so forceful about is being described without first hand evidence well, kind of makes it hard to swallow anything else you say. I mean, I wasn't trying to be dismissive of you before but knowing you haven't seen it and you hate it, that's a situation ripe for a good ribbing. I won't purposefully do it but still...

At this point, with the knowledge that you haven't seen the movie, I say discussion is closed. I'm not going to discuss the evolution of pachyderms with a man who has never seen an elephant and I'm not going to discuss a movie with a guy who's never seen it just so he can tell me it's the worst thing ever.

It's as simple as that.

[CX]

I can declare that I'm surrounded by naked cheerleaders, but that doesn't make it fact.

You seem to think me seeing the film will magically change anything, but it won't. As for the reactions I've predicted, I've been through all those arguments before and seen the reactions when other people went and saw the movie and still hated it. The top three responses are:

1) You went into it with a closed mind
2) Why'd you expose yourself to something you knew you would hate?
3) You only saw it to gain more ammunition to bash it.

[JadziaKathryn]

Guys and gals, we're going around in circles here. I don't think anyone's going to change their minds on whether the movie should even exist or not, nor if seeing it is required.

See, the phrase "Citizen" just screams robot to me. Not a complex one, just "robot".

Now that makes sense, French Revolution echoes aside. It rather implies the robot isn't a citizen, doesn't it?

It'd be useful to have robots for some jobs, I guess. Especially dangerous ones, like firemen. But I think there's the risk of robots making us as a society fat and lazy, so we'd better not get too many. Robot traffic patrolmen makes sense, I suppose, because then they can work 24/7/365. Until they're like Data and actually self-aware and such, in which case we get the whole "Measure of a Man" debate.

[CoffeeCat]

CX - doesn't matter. The fact that you haven't seen it is reason enough for me not to want to bother discussing it with you. You're touting the opinion of an angry mob of fat 40-year-olds who live in their mother's basement reading comic books hoping some suave Hollywood producer will one day hire them to become their canon expert. This. Is. Why. I. Hate. Trekkies.

Watch the movie so you can talk about it intelligently and not to sit there and whine that people like me (in whatever camp your mind has put me in) are simply offensive, or unintelligent, or whatever, because we enjoyed a summer flick without the burden of having to over-analyze it.

But, I know you won't because you'd rather sit there and justify yourself to everyone as some kind of authority on the subject when you really have nothing to back yourself up. Go ahead. Start posting. You're going to do just what I said you would, aren't you? JZK is right - this is one big circle, isn't it.

JZK,
The question of the robocop is rather interesting. I think I'm going to analyze the crap out of that in my review.

[Asso]

I had thought I wouldn't have written anything else in this thread about the movie or about what I think of it (I have seen it), because there were people who rebuked me for my words, and I prefer not to seem a little boy, who tries to go ahead through his own way, simply in order to defend himself.
It's better to break, in this case.
But I desire to say one last thing. It's right, I believe, to pretend one has to have direct experience of things he is speaking of, so that this one can speak of these things with true cognizance.
But it's not wrong, for me, also to debate about the reasons of these things, about what they mean.
And, for that, it's not necessary, for me, to clench these things in one's own hands.

[thecursor]

I can declare that I'm surrounded by naked cheerleaders, but that doesn't make it fact.

You seem to think me seeing the film will magically change anything, but it won't. As for the reactions I've predicted, I've been through all those arguments before and seen the reactions when other people went and saw the movie and still hated it. The top three responses are:

1) You went into it with a closed mind
2) Why'd you expose yourself to something you knew you would hate?
3) You only saw it to gain more ammunition to bash it.

CX, the film won't magically change your opinion but it will certainly validate the one you already have. Now as for what I'm going to say about your response to the film when you actually go see it, my only response is "eh". I don't have a crystal ball. I will say that here on planet Earth, human beings take risks when we participate in this thing called conversation though it's often been demonstrated that extreme language usually lead to extreme reactions from people who don't hold the same view and that tempering some of that language sometimes off sets the inevitable reaction.

You've spent the past month or so going on and on about doom and gloom yet you never bothered to actually go see the movie, of course we're gonna jump on your case now. The truth is that if you hate the movie then you hate the movie but at least you SAW the fucking movie. Over and over again we've heard how "Un-trek" the film is yet you've never actually seen it. Why debate when, really, there's nothing left to debate?

This board is basically like a book club, man. Where we all read the book then discuss it, would you join a book club and never read the books? Then you're just eating the free cookies and lemme tell you, my cookies suck. How would you feel if some guy with an "informed" but not first hand opinion about all of Star Trek showed up and started bashing the whole thing. What would you say to the guy? I know I would tell him that if he's never seen a single episode of the show, how does he REALLY know he hates it? Hatred, real hatred, comes from familiarity and that *sniff* is a beautiful thing.

So if you won't do it for love, do it for hate.