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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby Silverbullet » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:23 pm

It disrespected women in general.

One doesn't want to think of women that way.

But the damned writers wanted their angst. so, they came up withthe morning after.
there were too many things that the writers and TPTB ignored in order to have abgst or to put in something that was not possible no matter how you would slice it.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby WarpGirl » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:31 pm

See it isn't the angst I mind. Angst is a part of life, there's a lovely song that I always listen to in order to remember that. It's called "Life Ain't Always Beautiful" and that's true. So I say yeah put angst in, have difficulties, don't make it all flowers and suger. But for God's sake have people respect themselves and each other. That was in short supply for TnT. Angst wasn't the enemy, bad decisions, and no adult communication was. I liked the fact she married Koss, no matter what the circumstances. I also understood the need to take some time to herself to re-evaluate life when the Kir'Shara was discovered. It showed that life is hard and messy and there is no such thing as an easy life. But all of the stuff beforehand was awful. Ironically, it was in Damage when T'Pol was comforting Trip about Lizzy that I thought she was a perfect Vulcan.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby Alelou » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:39 pm

Silverbullet wrote:But the damned writers wanted their angst. so, they came up withthe morning after.


Which didn't really seem all that angsty to me. I mean, that scene ended on a fairly light note, really. "Doesn't mean we can't keep doing neuropressure, though." There's our boy. He hasn't given up.

Those "damned writers" could hardly afford to have two major characters declare their undying love for each other and be done with it in the middle of a season. The way you guys talk, the entire writing staff should be dragged out of their offices and shot. You'd think they had absolutely nothing positive to do with these two characters you're obviously deeply involved with.

Frankly, the constant "TPTB"-bashing gets really tiresome. Could you consider just criticizing the way certain episodes went without getting vicious about the people who brought them to you?
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby WarpGirl » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:50 pm

I just think it could have been done without degrading Vulcans or women. You have to admit they would not have done any of that with a man. I didn't say kill the writers, more like I'm sorry such talent was wasted on plots that weren't worthy of them.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby Silverbullet » Sat Jun 13, 2009 6:53 pm

No, he hasn't given up. But that doesn't look good either. He takes a real hit gets
dumped on by a woman who has just seduced him. Let him know that she is jealous of cole and by inference is putting her brand on him. Then he takes that and asks her if they can continue NP. No backbone. He should have told her in no uncertain terms that she was feeding him a load of old Cod's whallop.

Baloney.

He should have gone first told her what he had got out of the night before and how he felt about her because of it. Instead he sounds craven.

About the writers and TPTB who else can you blame for that Crap? so one has to mention them.

They deserve the same that they gave us.

I know that there is a lot of TPTB bashing on other boards but lets face it, people are angry at them, I sure am.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby WarpGirl » Sat Jun 13, 2009 7:10 pm

You just made my point, I said that if Trip had gone first T'Pol wouldn't have dumped him. Because then he would have claimed her and it was official because, wait for it... OMG She's a Vulcan! Imagine that. Talk about the absolute WRONG time for ladies first.

OKJt posted this on the Paxton thread and it says EVERYTHING I have ever wanted to say about TnT! My only complaint, I want to see how KTR's season 3 reviews comapare... Please finish them. Would it help if I pouted my lips and batted my eyes?

Here's the link... http://triptpolers.houseoftucker.com/mi ... cted.shtml
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby Silverbullet » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:51 pm

Ah, Warp girl. the writers would not have allowed it even if they et Trip go First. they would put some lame words in his mouth.

We BOTH know that a real Trip should have gone first, declared what he felt and told t-Pol how much he cared for her and what the night before meant to him and what he expected out of the future for them.

Not to be.

Instead we get this lame stuff coming out of t-Pol.

I read somewhere on a board that the reason that T-Pol (Jolene) had the cup in
front of her mouth was to keep from laughing out loud or having a cynical smile on her face.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby WarpGirl » Sat Jun 13, 2009 9:55 pm

Well as annoying as the brush off was... I still say the Trellium is WORSE.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby Silverbullet » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:03 pm

Yes, the TD was stupid. No reaon for the wrtiers to make her a drug addict. Non whatsoever.

Certainly didn't need it to start the TnT relationship.

that could have been done naturally. two people no matter that they were from diferent species are drawn to each other and fall desperately in love. Happens with different cultures and religions. those can be just as hard.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby WarpGirl » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:09 pm

People say that it's like alcohol that it doesn't cause feelings just lets them out. That's true but alcohol rarely kills you unless you drink gallons of it, and honestly how many times have lives been wrecked because of how you act on those feelings. I'm not saying that feelings shouldn't be let out, but there is a right way and a wrong one. Frankly, I can't understand how people thin Trellium is wonderful because they got one night of TnT. Yeah and that turned out great. My point is the Trellium made T'Pol weak, and unsympathetic. She deserved better, there were plenty of other mistakes that she could have made, so that she wasn't "perfect" but nobody is perfect anyway.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby Silverbullet » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:25 pm

I still don't think that she was on the stuff that night or had even took a hit of the stuff in the week before she Seduced him.

Am convinced that it was the peril she saw in the threat that Cole posed that set off the chain of events that took place that niight.

she sounded very cool and colected when she started on him about cole in her quarters.

then when she accused him of having affections for her she was also calm. it was only when she planted that passionate kiss on hhim and then dropped the robe and another Kiss did she seem to become a passionate woman about to make Love to her Man.

So, believe that the TD woud have made her a bit more screwy. had her saying things and acting a bit strange.

she was all female seducing Trip.

Obviously she planned it all out. she was not naked under that robe by accident.

If i remember correctly the other two times they showed her giving him NP she had on a pair of Long trouser Pajamas with a pull down top. Once red and Once Green.

So, she knew what she was going to do calmly.

TD would have made her do things diferently might have even prevented her from seducing at all. She may have felt indiffeent to him and only wanted the high that the TD gave her.

Driggies usually live in a different world than people who are not on drugs. that s why they are on drugs. the High they get.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby WarpGirl » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:29 pm

OK I've said it before and I'll say it again, just because she was "in control" does not mean she was capable of registering the consequences of her actions. And it DOES NOT matter if she didn't have any that day or that week, but to be technical she says in Azati Prime that she had been taking it DAILY for over two months, that is DURING the night with Trip. The drugs had screwed her up far before then however.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby Silverbullet » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:41 pm

Boy, do I enjoy these discussions with you. Your mind is so refreshing.

since I hate Azati Prime. I haven't watched but one time and then I turned it off when she followed Archer down the hall and whined that she "didn't want him to die." So I missed that part where she said that she had been taking TD every day for two months.

You sure what wsn't in Damage? I remember her in sickbay admitting to Phlox that she was druggig herself and that she damned got killled going into cargo bay 2 to get some of TD so she could inject it into her bloodstream.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby WarpGirl » Sat Jun 13, 2009 10:53 pm

Thanks I was expecting you to start getting mad. Um it might have been Damage, I could be getting them mixed up. Anyway yeah daily for 2 months, weekly for 1. In other words she might not have had a hit when she kissed Sim. Anyway it doesn't matter I'm a sort of expert on Narcs, I've been on enough... Narcs build up, you take a little it stays, the effects wear off but the drug is still in you. TD seems to be based on Heroin and Heroin is just pure morphine, although I am deathly allergic to morphine it can take up to six months to clean out of your body. Most of the time longer. The TD wasn't out of her system during E2, and I'd hazzard a guess it didn't disipate until sometime after Home. I'm not trying to bash T'Pol, far from it! But I feel like people play down her condition.

I HATE when people have her say "I didn't take any that night." A. It isn't true... B. It doesn't matter it's in her body screwing with her brain. That's the way drugs work, if they didn't there would be no withdrawals. She was an addict, sad but true.
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Re: T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

Postby Silverbullet » Sun Jun 14, 2009 12:50 am

Okay she was an addict. I grant you that.

I just like to think that she had been off it for a while when she and Trip had Sex.

I want to feel that the Sex act was motivated more by love than an addition.

That is why I hated the whole Td thing. It ruined a lot of the TnT relationship because people say that she was spaced out and if she had not then she wouldn't give Trip the time of day.

Good thing they didn't make that TD have her all over Archer. Makes my skin crawl just to think of that.

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