T'Pol's Un-Vulcan Like Behavior

[WarpGirl]

Unfortunately she WAS taking drugs when she seduced Trip. But her feelings were real, I believe that.

[Silverbullet]

Ikay, I surrender. she ws taking drugs when she seduced Trip.

Still think it was a lousy Idea for the writers to make her a druggie

[WarpGirl]

No really why would anyone think that!

[Silverbullet]

Beats me.

Perfectly logical to make a main charactere in to a drug addict.

Have her push awy the one character that wants to be near her and be friends and a lover.

Perfect sense. If you are a Bragga.

[WarpGirl]

Or a Berman he doesn't like actors to tell him about their characters. Levar Burton said that in an interview.

[Silverbullet]

Ricky was the head man too. although I always believd that Bragga ruled
him. Berman hinted at that one time.

Had they listened to the actors the series would have been a whole lot better. that is all of the actors other than SB. doubt if he would want any changes since he had the Hogs share of all of the episodes.

[WarpGirl]

Well over at the Trip's Mistakes thread Harbinger has once again come into play. That's great discussion is why we're here, but I think one aspect is too often ignored and it belongs here. Trellium D. This truly is my achillies heel when it comes to T'Pol and ENT as a series. The thing is I can't be objective, I have TRIED so hard too do so. But it's impossible. The thing is I KNOW what these types of drugs can do, it's no exagerration to say these types of drugs have saved my life many times, and nearly ended it MANY MANY more times. ENT did a half-shod job on explaining the physical, mental, and emotional rigors T'Pol was under during her time as an addict. She wasn't just accessing pesky emotions, and degrading her nural-pathways; she was litterally shredding her brain! The drug was eroding congnative function, making her incapable of rational decisions. Not only that her body grew so dependent on it that she litterally could not physically function without it, adding to her mental and emotinal instability.

People like to gloss it over, saying that it didn't cause her emotions, merely let them out. Well, I am fully aware that they didn't cause her emotions but it did so much more than let them out. It scares me that the seriousness of the damage she did is so trivial. That being said I find it hard to believe the damage is perminent because T'Pol 2 said so. She never got the oppertunity to return to Vulcan and get the pa'nar healed. I just wish that Trellium D wasn't used as a love potion for some people. I think TnT could have discovered each other without it.

[pdsldl]

You forget that T'Pol had been living with the Pa'Nar for some time before the TD addiction and would have known the difference between what each caused. Also the Pa'Nar was cured but the damage from the TD was not. There are alterations to one's brain that simply can't be fixed (look at the brain of an E addict or a kid who sniffs paint etc...) I worked at a osych hospital and the damage some substances caused was quick, severe, and unrepairable. The brain can reroute itself to more healthy areas sometimes but not always. The more complex the center of the brain that is damaged the less likely it can be repaired.

[WarpGirl]

No I didn't forget. The damage from the pa'nar and the damage of the TD was almost identical, they erode the same pathways. If anything, the pa'nar damaged more because it also effected other parts of her body. Besides Vulcans have EXTREMELY powerful minds, Tuvok, Spock, and to a lesser extent Sarek had gone through much worse and managed to fully recover.

[Silverbullet]

Watched the XINDI last night. Warpgirl you're right that Phlox set it up by having Trip taking a file to t-Pol after ijecting him with a placebo.

I believe the word was disengeneous or something like that.

Trip said he knew what the word meant.

Yes, Trip did mistake her intentions when she asked him to disrobe. but he did make somewhat of a save.

T-Pol having him perform iton her was shrewd too. Since it was a g rated program she had to cover her breasts with her hands but I was thinking that T-Pool would have just taken off her Pajama top and been bare breasted in front of trip.

whatever, He liked giving her a little NP. Her reaction to hs hands was interesting. She obviously got something out of it other than a little NP.

When it came her turn she seems to have given him a little punishment for mistaking her intentions because he gasped and jumped once when she pushed on someting.

EVen so it was a nice start to their intimate relationship.

[Silverbullet]

Sorry for the double post.

How does one start a new thread?

Tried but seemed to have failed.

Info?

[pdsldl]

No I didn't forget. The damage from the pa'nar and the damage of the TD was almost identical, they erode the same pathways. If anything, the pa'nar damaged more because it also effected other parts of her body. Besides Vulcans have EXTREMELY powerful minds, Tuvok, Spock, and to a lesser extent Sarek had gone through much worse and managed to fully recover.

You make a bis assumption here. That they both erode neural pathways was stated but that they erode the same ones and in the same way is not. If recovery was only die to a strong mind then the Pa'Nar would have been less of a problem. And there are parts of a brain that will not recover no matter what so it depends on what the damage is. They have superior abilities but assuming that makes them capable of repairing all damage to their brains is a bis stretch.

[WarpGirl]

Press New Topic. Of course T'Pol knew that he knew what inransient meant, it was to provoke him into action. And I'm not sure she was aroused, nuropressure is like massage and I've made noises like that without bing aroused sexually. I do believe she liked the view, and was shocked he did it right first try. She probably got aroused after.

OK they ARE the same pathways, it says so in Damage. I try not to assume anything, when posting. Second yes you're right Vulcans can't cure everything like Bendeii syndrome. But there are only 3 brain disorders that cananoically untreatable. Third, pa'nar isn't a problem if you get a mind-meld from someone who can fix the injury. BUT T'Pol can't know that at this time. And considering she had it for 3 years, and the TD addiction for 3 months, I'd say the pa'nar did more damage. Finally, she's an ALIEN. Her brain is supposed to be different, I think you're allowed to stretch just a little. They've cured worse more easily, remember the Phage, all they needed to cure Danara Pel was a little bit of B'Elanna's DNA. Now that is truly inconcievible.

[pdsldl]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. I've seen what damage can be done to ones brain from a single incident involving a chemical to the brain and T'Pol's was over 3 months and cumulative. And canon won't help here because until Enterprise and Phlox studied the findings from the Seleya Vulcans didn't know of the affects of TD on them. And since they only way to really study it would be to expose more Vulcans to it there is not much of a possibility that they would be able to study the short term effects a smaller exposure. The only thing they had was the after the fact brain scans of a ship full of Vulcans too far gone to help and with brain so damaged to be of any help.

In Damage it says her neural pathways and later her synaptic pathways are affected no mention of them being the same as in Pa'Nar.

[WarpGirl]

OK.