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Re: Why and how

Postby Linda » Mon Jun 11, 2007 3:53 pm

Jedikatie, I think the Vulcan couple would also have to opposed to telling the authorities that they found the child for some political or personal reason. Even if they had limited technology, they must have some form of contact with the rest of Vulcan society, even if it took a bit longer. Though the parents were dead, the Vulcans would wonder if the child's 'clan' would want the child. But we could be back to the scenario of a childless Vulcan couple with limited adoption options quietly taking the child in.
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Re: Why and how

Postby evcake » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:03 pm

There are mentions in some stories of T'Pol having a lining to her uniform to conserve heat, it being rather cool for her on Enterprise. Might the infant or child need something similar to help it with the Vulcan climate, or would it acclimatize?
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Re: Why and how

Postby justTripn » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:29 pm

I once had a story idea set in the time period between Enterprise and the Original Series. I took my "Chuckie" (Trip and T'Pol's son from one of my stories) and as an adult he mentored/took in a Vulcan juvenile delinquent that lived on Earth and wasn't getting along with his parents. Boy this sounds dumb. Anyway "Chuck" was raised on Earth by his grandparents, Trip's parents. T'Pol continued working in space, kept in touch, but helped him hide his true identity. Chuck was a counselor (like Deana Troi). He had alot of issues to work out with his mixed identity, especially sexual identity, with the pon farr (which is hard to explain to girlfreinds), and so went into psychology. He spoke Vulcan and was sympathetic to Vulcan ways, but people thought it was just specialty of his and becasue of Vulcan famly friends. He was able to be a mediator because of his sympathy for Vulcans. Chuck never met his father, who had died awhile before he was born.

Oh, and Chuck is working in his new position as a counselor aboard a Starfleet ship.

Anyway, I really like Rigil's idea.
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Re: Why and how

Postby Linda » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:33 pm

My guess is that a baby would aclimatize to the heat just as they do in the varied temperatures on earth. But there is the thinner air problem. It seems adult Humans need 'triox shots' for additional oxygen. I think that is canon (TOS?) but I don't remember Archer needing any in the Vulcan arc episodes. Or did he and I missed it? Humans do need sunglasses as they don't have that inner eyelid that Vulcans have. Could human babies develop so they can cope with less oxygen? Distracted, what do you think?
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Re: Why and how

Postby Rigil Kent » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:37 pm

Linda wrote:I think that is canon (TOS?) but I don't remember Archer needing any in the Vulcan arc episodes. Or did he and I missed it?

No, he didn't. It's one of the many complaints I have about those episodes. Kirk was gasping and wheezing after a few seconds of physical exertion, but Archer spent hours pushing himself physically, yet displayed none of the physical problems. I guess he was too busy leaping tall buildings in a single bound and bringing enlightenment to those noble savages called Vulcans. Rolling Eyes
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Re: Why and how

Postby Jedikatie » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:43 pm

Why would they have to be opposed to telling others just because they have limited (or no modern) technology, Linda? The Amish don't use modern technology. I just happen to think of these people as being like the Amish except in the middle of a desert. Maybe they wanted to separate themselves from the rest of Vulcan society for whatever reason.

So why would they necessarily make a special trip to deliver this child to the other Vulcans? Maybe they have infrequent contact with the others, and then they may say something about the child when they do come in contact with them, but there's no reason for them to hang about waiting for someone to show up (or not) at the crash site and hand the kid over, either.

Besides it would make a nice conflict too--if the person who finds the child decides to keep it, and some of the group supports them while others oppose it...
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Re: Why and how

Postby Rigil Kent » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:46 pm

justTrip'n wrote:Anyway, I really like Rigil's idea.

Heh. Did I mention that the Augment character's adopted father was Koss? Laughing
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Re: Why and how

Postby evcake » Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:50 pm

Just what is Vulcan's gravity, anyhow? I wonder what effect it would have on a gravid human female.
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Re: Why and how

Postby Rigil Kent » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:07 pm

As far as I know, they've never stated exactly how much greater the gravity is on Vulcan, only that its greater than human norm. Since this is Trek, we get average or above-average tall aliens instead of the short and wide ones that would realistically evolve in a higher G planet.
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Re: Why and how

Postby CoffeeCat » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:12 pm

Rigil Kent wrote:
Linda wrote:I think that is canon (TOS?) but I don't remember Archer needing any in the Vulcan arc episodes. Or did he and I missed it?

No, he didn't. It's one of the many complaints I have about those episodes. Kirk was gasping and wheezing after a few seconds of physical exertion, but Archer spent hours pushing himself physically, yet displayed none of the physical problems. I guess he was too busy leaping tall buildings in a single bound and bringing enlightenment to those noble savages called Vulcans. Rolling Eyes


Maybe I can work it into one of my stories where Archer is secretly getting genectically altered like the suliban. It might explain a few things.
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Re: Why and how

Postby Rigil Kent » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:15 pm

Well, I seem to recall an episode where he mentioned an ancestor fighting in the Eugenics Wars. Wonder which side...
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Re: Why and how

Postby CoffeeCat » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:33 pm

Interesting, Rigel. I don't seem to remember that. Which episode?

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Re: Why and how

Postby evcake » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:48 pm

CoffeeCat wrote:
Rigil Kent wrote:
Linda wrote:I think that is canon (TOS?) but I don't remember Archer needing any in the Vulcan arc episodes. Or did he and I missed it?

No, he didn't. It's one of the many complaints I have about those episodes. Kirk was gasping and wheezing after a few seconds of physical exertion, but Archer spent hours pushing himself physically, yet displayed none of the physical problems. I guess he was too busy leaping tall buildings in a single bound and bringing enlightenment to those noble savages called Vulcans. Rolling Eyes


Maybe I can work it into one of my stories where Archer is secretly getting genectically altered like the suliban. It might explain a few things.


Trip didn't seem to need any help either, when he went home with T'Pol.
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Re: Why and how

Postby Rigil Kent » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:53 pm

But Trip wasn't running and fighting Vulcan commandos and digging. Tucker was walking and sightseeing, which is hardly strenuous.

And CoffeeCat, it was in Hatchery.
ARCHER: My great grandfather was in North Africa during the Eugenics Wars. His battalion was evacuating civilians from a war zone when they came under attack. There was a school full of children directly between them and the enemy. If his men had returned fire, they might have hit it. So he called the commander on the other side, and got him to agree to hold his fire long enough to evacuate the school. There are rules, Trip, even in war. We have to help these children.
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Re: Why and how

Postby evcake » Mon Jun 11, 2007 5:57 pm

So, if the child is not an infant commando Very Happy maybe the oxygen thing wouldn't be too much of a problem?
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