Why and how

[CX]

Heh, just the backstory would make an interesting novel, I think.

[Mitchell]

Ive always been in favour of a more positive tail on Augments.
Heck weve been shown time an time again that They all aint Khan bad.

I personaly would love to see a story based on a Half Augment, or honestly preferibly a Augment/unaltered Human Hybrid, with the implication that often ocures in nature with other Mammals, That mating between "breeds results in stronger offspring then either parent". Born an Raised on Earth. They all couldnt of been Killed off after all, an Lets face it. It wouldnt of been hard for them to go into hidding(not like they had pointed Ears to hide), or they could of been granted assylum if say a small group of augments helped to end the Reign of Khan, by turning on the Bastard.

Yes ive got the never gona be finished start of such a idea/thing burried some where on this puter of mine.


Vulcans raising a Human. Sounds interesting as well. Poor kids gona have a interesting childhood being raised allong side Vulcan kids twice his/her strength. I hope Vulcans dont have bullies. Besides V'Las.

[evcake]

The child I'm thinking of wouldn't be an Augment, though that would make for an interesting story. It would be a good reason for the child to be kept hidden.
Seems like conditions would be too difficult to have it born on Vulcan without a lot of high-tech help, which is not what I was envisioning. Rats.
Being raised among Vulcan children - I wonder what the differnce in rate of maturation would be. And how the foster parents would tailor their expctations to suit thier little odd duck.

[Linda]

I always thought a Human child would mature faster than a Vulcan child. Under the age of 10, I thought the Human child would have more dextarity and intellectual ability than a Vulcan of equal age. Humans sexually mature in their teens and somehow I got the idea that Vulcans sexually mature in their twenties, the male being able to father a child then, but not going through his first Pon Farr until his thirties at the earliest. Though Vulcans can be sexually arroused when not in Pon Farr, it takes a little more stimulation than it does for Humans.

And at any age, I think of Humans as being more versitile in their thought patterns and quicker to change intellectual tactics when something is not working than Vulcans are. Vulcans being excrutiatingly maticulous in their intellectual pursuits, most having eidetic memory, and able to do complex math in their heads, make good lawyers, ethics teachers, and scientists. Then I thought that a team of Humans and Vulcans would have the intellectual variety to problem solve better than a team composed entirely of either species - assuming they didn't get into stubborn arguments with the Vulcans empatically denying that emotion was creeping into their viewpoints. Well, I think these intellectual styles would surface in the species respective teenage years and even a little in the pre-teen years. The young children of both species being a little more flexible to learn different styles of thinking.

Sorry, for going off on a tangent here. The species differences and similarities of Vulcans and Humans just fascinate me!

[evcake]

Good tangent. Please continue to add anything that occurs to you. I am accumulating ideas.

[Rigil Kent]

Humans sexually mature in their teens and somehow I got the idea that Vulcans sexually mature in their twenties, the male being able to father a child then, but not going through his first Pon Farr until his thirties at the earliest.

Where do you get that from? Both TOS & the Trek movies seem to indicate that Vulcans are sexually mature around the same age as humans (hence Spock's "I thought I had managed to avoid this" comment in Amok Time and his first pon farr during puberty in Trek III.) It's only ENT that really seems to conflict with that, and given that the Beebs obviously didn't do a lot of research into TOS canon, that's not much of a surprise IMO.

Though Vulcans can be sexually arroused when not in Pon Farr, it takes a little more stimulation than it does for Humans.

Again, how do you come by this? I would assume that with the Super!Emotions that Vulcans experience, they'd be more likely to require minimal stimulation for arousal, but they simply suppress it like their other emotions.

Everything else I pretty much agree with though...

[Linda]

Rigil, I read it in a non-canon source, one of the novels. I will try to find the reference. To me it makes more sense that a long lived species matures more slowly. The Search for Spock movie, I don't take as definitive that Pon Farr occurs in the teen years, because everything was artificially excellerated by that Genesis machine. But your interpretation is just as valid. It is just that in my personal ST world, I see Pon Farr as occuring between the ages of 30 and 60 something. And I think that was in one of the books, either Spock's World or Sarek.

About arousal. I think with the lifelong and severe discipline Vulcans impose on themselves, that it would be harder to arouse one. In TOS, wasn't there an episode where Spock was watching an errotic dance in a planet side club with his shipmates and he implied that the dance did not effect him? And there was another scene where he gave some human a look when it was mentioned that something was arousing? Wish my memory was better; I will now have to go find that reference! But I see your point with the underlying emotional nature of Vulcans, seeing that it is much more volitile than Humans, you would think that they would be aroused just as fast, if not faster. Probably you could take that either way in a story. It certainly would not take much to arouse Tolaris, would it?

[Rigil Kent]

To me it makes more sense that a long lived species matures more slowly.

Ah. I see the problem. You're applying logic and common sense to Trek.

[evcake]

Only on a strictly random basis.

I have a theory that Vulcan emotions aren't as Super! as they think. This is a Shouldknowbetter notion. Actually what she said was that Humans are capable of dealing with Vulcan emotions. So I think they are not hugely stronger than Human emotions.

Sigh. I don't know who or where Shouldknowbetter is, but I wish more stories would come from that quarter.

I'm thinking of changing my sig to: More Vulcans!!

[Rigil Kent]

However, that clashes with what they've established on the various televised shows, hence I cannot quite accept that notion.

[evcake]

There's something on screen about a human being overcome by Vulcan emotons? Or just Vulcans saying the same old thing?

[CoffeeCat]

Try TNG: Sarek.

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Sarek_%28episode%29

[Linda]

Shouldknowbetter said Vulcan emotions were not stronger than Human emotions? Guess I missed that, though I have read many of her stories. There was a Star Trek magazine article a couple of years back that said Vulcan emotions were much stronger than Human emotions. I will have to dig that out and post a quote from it. But I guess the magazine is not canon, even if it is an official Star Trek product. Your theory is just as good as anyone's, Evcake.

Evcake, have you seen Shouldknowbetter's stories on Soval's Annex and Trip/T'Polers? I don't know where else she has stories, but there are many stories of hers on those two sites. She was the one who thought up the Soval/Amanda Cole pairing that she and a few other fan fic writers took up on. I wish she would write something for Triaxian Silk! You might be able to contact her through Myst123 on the Hot board.

[Linda]

Uh, Rigil, do you feel it is a futile endeavor to apply logic to Trek? Sigh, I fear it might be so.

[Linda]

Ok, Evcake, Shouldknowbetter lives in Britain, is married, and is an engineer. I think she writes other things than Star Trek stories. But Myst123 could tell you more about her, I am sure.