Would TnT have kept their relationship to themselves?

[WarpGirl]

OMG that was perfect.

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

Heh!

Makes me wonder, do people "ship" in real life, I mean for real couples (aside from your parents and friends, I mean). Do some people go around wishing that John in Accounting and Liz from the Legal Dept should get together?

[WarpGirl]

It works KTR. OK here's a question considering the time period and the political and social climate of both Earth and Vulcan during this time period; as well as the Romulan War, why would it be a good idea for TnT to live openly together? It's only been about 2 decades when interracial couples could live together openly in safety. In our days now other couples have problems in many places. How in the ST universe during the ENT timeline is it any different for TnT? I just don't see it as a good idea. Their child was already murdered.

[Transwarp]

considering the time period and the political and social climate of both Earth and Vulcan during this time period; as well as the Romulan War, why would it be a good idea for TnT to live openly together?

It would be a good idea because someone has to be first. Who better than a couple of combat veterans like TnT? I see them refusing to hide their relationship in the shadows as a matter of principal. I also think Terra Prime was never more than an extremely small splinter group, which was pretty much crushed when Paxton's plans were defeated.

[Aikiweezie]

Heh!

Makes me wonder, do people "ship" in real life, I mean for real couples (aside from your parents and friends, I mean). Do some people go around wishing that John in Accounting and Liz from the Legal Dept should get together?

No, I don't think so,

[Asso]

I, for some reason, always thought that T-Pol was a Virgin in Harbinger and din't have any Sexual experience. For some reason I thought that a Vulcan mated for life with one person and formed a bond for life with one person. If she had mated before she would have bonded with that person a nd couldn't with Trip. Also felt that Vulcans didn't do one night stands or casual Sex. One mating and one bonding per customer. I also got the idea that Vulcan Females were damned careful about who they got mixed up with. Since T-Pol had forced the parents to break the Engagement she could be on the hunt for a Mate of her own choosing since she apparently accepted the idea of personal choice from Trip's little talk with her in "Breaking the Ice" Don't ask me where I got this, probably a combination of the Episodes and FanFics. Sounds good though

What does that have to do with the topic?

I'm in the market for what Silverbullet wrote, Warpgirl. Maybe I am not the only one.

[WarpGirl]

It would be a good idea because someone has to be first. Who better than a couple of combat veterans like TnT? I see them refusing to hide their relationship in the shadows as a matter of principal. I also think Terra Prime was never more than an extremely small splinter group, which was pretty much crushed when Paxton's plans were defeated.

I see your point but I guess I wasn't clear. I'm not saying they should skulk around in the shadows. But From what we saw in the show their romantic relationship was never something out and about. I mean yeah Malcolm and Phlox had some idea but nothing concrete. And I never thought Terra Prime was a fringe group. I think that they are much more insidious and powerful than presented. All I'm saying is that TnT don't have to admit anything. They wouldn't be engaging in PDA like kids anyway. And I can't see them being safe on Earth especially with kids for at least 20 years. T'Pol once told Trip that if they were in a romantic relationship it would be nobody's business but their own. I think in the beginning at least, that's a good MO.

Asso I don't object to the fact T'Pol was a Virgin before Trip. Where did you get that idea? But that fact has nothing to do with the subject at hand.

[Aquarius]

considering the time period and the political and social climate of both Earth and Vulcan during this time period; as well as the Romulan War, why would it be a good idea for TnT to live openly together?

It would be a good idea because someone has to be first. Who better than a couple of combat veterans like TnT? I see them refusing to hide their relationship in the shadows as a matter of principal. I also think Terra Prime was never more than an extremely small splinter group, which was pretty much crushed when Paxton's plans were defeated.

Exacly. After a while, they're going to get tired of feeling like they have to hide what they're doing all the time, especially if they feel there's absolutely nothing wrong with what they're doing. From their perspective, the bigots are the ones with the problem, not TnT. I don't think they'd necessarily do it to be crusaders to pave the way for the next interspecies couple, I think they'd do it because they're entitled to live with a little dignity.

[WarpGirl]

Well you said yourself that there is a difference between keeping quiet and sneaking around. I just think that there is more to consider than just TnT by themselves. Keeping any children safe would also have to be considered. Also Trip's family could have problems on earth as well. And while I don't think that a presumably loving family like the Tucker clan would object, I do think TnT would want them safe. Also I can't see Starfleet supporting them at this point. Coming out and condeming Terra Prime for Baby Elizabeth is one thing, supporting an actual open romantic realtionship is another entirely. All I'm saying is that I don't think the issues are cut and dry. It's complicated, and there is no right or wrong answer.

[Aquarius]

Yeah, I did say that WG, and I'm also saying that they're not the type to cower in the shadows and let fear dictate every move they make. There's a distinction between keeping things quiet and not being fodder for the ships rumor mill, vs. keeping your head down all the time because your neighbors might not like what you're doing.

ETA: If there's any confusion, both things I presented relate to living with dignity.

[WarpGirl]

I don't beilieve I was talking about cowering. I appologize if it sounded like I was.

[Silverbullet]

In the series, how could they be open when T-Pol wasn't even sure she wanted a relationship. She Seduced Trip, handed him his head the next day, Comforts him over his sister, Has an Erotic dream about him but in E2 rejects him and his help. She blew Hot and cold constantly. Drove him off the ship to the cClumbia and then gives him a passionate Kiss in bound, tells hin to Kiss off because she wants to study her religion. finally in Demons and Terra Prime it seems they have a realtionship going. If she isn't certain about the relationship or if she even wants it what is there to reveal or hide?

[Aquarius]

^ I think the conversation is also extrapolating beyond what we saw in the show.

[WarpGirl]

Well you know I've always thought you are a little too hard on T'Pol Silverbullet but I don't think the issue was whether she wanted a relationship or not, but whether she could have a successful relationship. I don't think that before Terra Prime she believed it was possible. However during the first nuropressure session she specifically said "If we were having a romantic relationship it wouldn't be Lt. Reed's business." I think that sums it up. To T'Pol it was nobody's business, now Trip might need to tell his family of course, but I don't think with all they went through he would need to involve anyone else. After Terra Prime I can see them keeping whatever is between them, between them.

[Silverbullet]

Warpgirl, I am probably wrong, but I don't remember T-Pol sayin ganything about a romantic relationship not being of Lt Reeds Business dring the first NP session. I do have it recorded on my DVR and will check.

Anothr thing I found odd was the in E2 the Old t-Pol supposedly lived the same life the young t-Pol lived up until the time the Older T-Pol's Entrprise ws thrown back in time. Goven that, the old T-Pol would have also Seduced Trip, said the same thing to him the morning after, had the erotic dream about being in the shower with him. Why did she accept the Young T-Pol's statement that her Heart didn't know wat it wanted. The Young T-Polmay have been confused but that Seduction and the erotic dream proved that what she wanted Was Trip. (always thought the writers dropped the ball on the discussion between the Old and Young T-Pol. There was so much that could have been broght out, Why did the old T-Pol fianlly marry Trip if she acted as the young T-Pol did.