Did T'Pol NEED the Trellium D?

[Aquarius]

There is a difference between not feeling it and not acting on it. You can ignore it and act appropriately in terms of how you respond to it, but still feel it. That's not the same thing as deciding "Okay I'm not going to feel this any more," and then really not feeling it. The latter is what I refer to as the "off switch." The former is pretty normal and healthy, and is what most people do, unless they decide to give in to the crush and all the drama that comes along with doing so.

[Aikiweezie]

<drops by to see what's going on>
<notes overturned tables and broken dishes>
<makes a hasty retreat>

I'm hiding under my desk.

[Alelou]

We probably could use a dead horse being beaten smilie, even if Transwarp wouldn't use it.

That's a good way for a little animation...

[Aquarius]

I have this one, if it works:



He's fun for all occasions--including this one.

[Kevin Thomas Riley]

We probably could use a dead horse being beaten smilie, even if Transwarp wouldn't use it.

That's a good way for a little animation...

[Distracted]

LOL!

And now... back to our regularly scheduled program. I think Vulcans must be very good at denial of feelings. So even if T'Pol did feel something for Trip there would have to have been something to break through her denial. The writers used Trell-D. We've already discussed some other things they could have used. Does anyone think it would have been believable just to have T'Pol decide one day that the most logical thing to do was to admit she had feelings for Trip? I've heard people use that argument, and it might work for a cold and analytical human, but I just don't buy it for a Vulcan. Vulcans stuff their emotions and don't even admit them to themselves. That's what makes them Vulcan.

[pdsldl]

Wasn't that the excuse Spock's father used in regards to Amanda? It was the logical thing to do? T'Les admitted she and her mate formed a connection/loved one another so I would think at least with their mates or the one they were connected/bonded to they might admit their feelings.

[Asso]

Wasn't that the excuse Spock's father used in regards to Amanda? It was the logical thing to do? T'Les admitted she and her mate formed a connection/loved one another so I would think at least with their mates or the one they were connected/bonded to they might admit their feelings.

Sounds... logical.

[Alelou]

We probably could use a dead horse being beaten smilie, even if Transwarp wouldn't use it.

That's a good way for a little animation...

Perfect! We need it!

[WarpGirl]

Personally I don't think it's possible for Vulcans to deny their emotions in the way most people here seem to define denial. In order to control their emotions they have to admit they have them. Surak's whole philosophy would not work if Vulcans refused to acknowledge they even have emotions. Not to mention the V'tosh Katur could not exist, and the Trell-D wouldn't have erroded any control because there would have been nothing to control.

So I think it's perfectly reasonable that T'Pol could have decided it was logical to admit her feelings for Trip. Part of the problem was that Trip never gave her a logical reason she could be secure in. Vulcans do not date, they do not have romantic companions, they have life long mates with their minds linked together. Trip never, not once, told her he would want her as his life long mate. Saying I want you or I love you is not a lifelong commitment to a Vulcan. If Trip had done that at the right time I think T'Pol would have had her logical reason. Trip accepted her as a lifelong mate!

[panyasan]

Response to WG's suggestion that Trip should have told that he wanted her as a long time mate. I think you have a point, the problem is when you look at it from Trips POV, T'Pol didn't give him any clues of doing so. He may have guessed it, but he problalby also needed from T'Pol to hear she wants him. He comes from a culture where hearing and saying is more important then showing. That's the whole thing.

[WarpGirl]

I concur. However, since she already slept with him it was a hint. I'm sorry but come on she never did tell a convincing lie. Remember when she said Archer was Ship's Steward?

[pdsldl]

Why would anyone assume Trip would have any idea that sleeping with him was an indication that she wanted a future with him. She pushed and pulled him back and forth only hours later and for many months after. Neither of them were clear about what it was they wanted with themselves or each other. Trip said he didn't know he loved her until she told him she was marrying Koss. That's what happens when 2 people from such different backgrounds get together.

[WarpGirl]

Because in Two Days Two Nights she told Trip and Archer Vulcans mate once every seven years. Now this was technically the truth and because if you take just the scope of the episodes they never talked about Vulcan mating rituals again until Bound so at the very least any guy with a half of a brain cell should be able to figure out that what she did meant more than an exploration. Like I said she was never an accomplished liar, or actress.

[pdsldl]

True, but she told him it was an experiment and not being 100% sure of what things meant to her if she didn't tell I would think the natural thing to do is take her at her word. I'd take the word of someone over a vague reference to mating which was never explained any day.